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Thank you. Sorry for the late reply.

Erika said Peter had 4 kids but, by 1911, only one was surviving.
That would be John Thomas, who died in late Jan 1922. and was buried 26/1/1922.


http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/cemetery.php?opt=cemetery
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Cremation Religion
Orme John Thomas 55 yrs 75 Platt Lane 26-Jan 1922 L 476 * C of E
Orme Elizabeth 15 yrs 75 Platt Lane 02-Feb 1918 M 79 * C of E
Orme Samuel 1 year 82 Platt Lane 01-Jun 1893 K 20 * C of E
Orme Alice 19 mo 82 Platt Lane 19-Sep 1895 I 774 * C of E
Orme Thomas 5 wks 8 Stanley Square 6-Feb 1904 F 431 * C of E
Orme Elizabeth 43 yrs 1 William St 29-Jan 1909 S 907 * C of E

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
1887q4 ORME Mary Jane BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/165/214
1890q2 ORME James BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/175/225
1892q1 ORME Samuel BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/183/24
1894q1 ORME Alice BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/192/309
1896q4 ORME Martha Ellen BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/204/42
1898q1 ORME John BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/211/348
1900q1 ORME Alice BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/221/494
1902q3 ORME Elizabeth BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/229/253
1903[04q1] ORME Thomas BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/236/127
1906q2 ORME Rachel BOOTLE Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/246/259

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ORME John Thomas BOOTLE Elizabeth St. Catherine, Wigan Wigan & Leigh C29/4/237

Marriage: 19 Nov 1887 St Catharine, Wigan, Lancs.
John Thomas Orme - (X), 22 Collier Bachelor of 84 Platt Lane
Elizabeth Bootle - (X), 22 Spinster of 101 Platt Lane
Groom's Father: Peter Orme, Collier
Bride's Father: Robert Bootle, Collier
Witness: Alexander Shepherd; Sarah Ann Hall, (X)
Married by Banns by: Alfred Webb Curate
Register: Marriages 1883 - 1891, Page 119, Entry 237
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYH-48J
Event Place Wigan, Wigan, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Parish Wigan
Sub-District Wigan
Registration District Wigan
Registration Number RG14 Piece 22981 Household schedule number 267-ish
John Thomas Orme Head M 43 Ince, Lancashire W COAL MINER HEWER
Martha Ellen Orme Daughter F 14 Wigan, Lancashire
John Orme Son M 12 Wigan, Lancashire
Alice Orme Daughter F 9 Wigan, Lancashire
Elizabeth Orme Daughter F 7 Wigan, Lancashire
Eachel Orme Daughter F 4 Wigan, Lancashire
[Eachel?? - looks like transcriber hit adjacent key]

Using http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ (lookiing up "rg14 wigan", I see:
a) Piece RG14/22981 was ED 9 of the Wigan subdistrict of Wigan RD.
b) Piece RG78/1345 was the 1911 census summary book piece number for the Wigan subdistrict of Wigan RD.
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYH-WKV
ED0 includes 75 Platt Lane occupied by Mrrs (Maria) Parker, but its near the beg of ED9, and JT is near end - I think this bit of Platt Ln is just N of Scholes.

For modern pics, see:
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/streets/

Name: Abraham Ludworth
[Abraham Sudworth]
Gender: Male
Age: 46
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1845
Child: William Ludworth
Hannah Ludworth
Mobert Ludworth
Arthur Ludworth
Fred Ludworth
James Ludworth
Birth Place: Ashton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Darfield
Residence Place: Darfield, Darfield, Yorkshire, England
Sub registration district: Darfield
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3777
Folio: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Ludworth 46
William Ludworth 18
Hannah Ludworth 15
Mobert Ludworth 14
Arthur Ludworth 9
Fred Ludworth 6
James Ludworth 3

Isn’t she the stepdaughter Betsey Holme shown in 1881 with the Sodsworth (sic) family?

Thanks ErikaH

I can't find the daughter Betty either. I wondered if she had died but can't find a death, or did she go with her mother and take the Sudworth name? Can't find that either.....sigh...... :-(

Thank you for all your help. x

No need to apologise.

I wish I could find Jane in 1871 - but, so far, I've drawn a blank

Apologies. Apologies.

I have only come back to this today. Thank you all for the above information - very helpful indeed. Cx

First name(s) Betty
Last name Orme
Gender Female
Birth year 1867
Birth place Platt Lane
Baptism year 1868
Baptism date 05 Jul 1868
Place Wigan
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Peter
Father's last name Orme
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name Orme

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whitledge Green, Ashton in Makerfield, Wigan, Lancashire, England

William Sudworth Head - Male 51 1820 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Abraham Sudworth Son - Male 27 1844 - Lancashire, England Transcription
William Sudworth Son - Male 24 1847 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Alice Sudworth Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Lancashire, England

For info - and to complete the set

1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Stanley Row, Wigan, Lancashire, England


Peter Ormes Head Married Male 41 1840 Newton, Lancashire, England Coal Miner Transcription
Ann Ormes Wife Married Female 45 1836 Wigan, Lancashire, England - Transcription
Mary Johnson Step Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Blackrod, Lancashire, England Throstle Spinner Cotton Transcription
Ann J Johnson Step Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Aspull, Lancashire, England Throstle Spinner Cotton Transcription
John Johnson Step Son Single Male 12 1869 Aspull, Lancashire, England Scholar Transcription
Richard Johnson Step Son Married Male 22 1859 Wigan, Lancashire, England Coal Miner Transcription
Margaret A Johnson Step Daughter In Law Married Female 21 1860 Manchester, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver Transcription
Lewis Johnson Step Grand Son Single Male 0 1881 Wigan, Lancashire, England -

Marriage: 29 May 1854 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Richard Johnson - (X), 22, Collier, Bachelor, Wigan Lane
Ann Birchall - (X), 23, Spinster, Hallgate
Groom's Father: Matthew Johnson, deceased
Witness: William Reeve; Mary Barton, (X)
Married by Banns by: Francis H.Coldwell Curate
Register: Marriages 1854 - 1855, Page 16, Entry 31
Source: LDS Film 1885697

Baptism: 18 May 1831 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ann Barton Birchall - Daur. of Elizabeth Birchall
Abode: Hallate
Baptised by: J. Bromilow
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 72, Entry 569
Source: LDS Film 1885678

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1869
JOHNSON John BIRCH Aspull Wigan & Leigh ASPL/21/497

1866
JOHNSON Ann Jane BIRCH Aspull Wigan & Leigh ASPL/19/34

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1890
ORME Ann 58 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/122/277

Ann Barton Birchall married Richard Johnson in 1854 he died 1871.
They had daughter Ann Jane Johnson in Aspull 1866 died 1890.
She married Denis Halliday 1888 this is who is with Peter Ormes on 1891 census + John Johnson born 1869 son of Ann and Richard Johnson.

Maryb.

????

age out a bit
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rylance Row, Wigan, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Peter Orme Head Widower Male 46 1845 Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Transcription
Denis Halliday Son In Law Married Male 20 1871 Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Transcription
Ann J Halliday Stepdaughter Married Female 24 1867 Aspull, Lancashire, England Cotton Spinner
Transcription
Jane Halliday Granddaughter - Female 0 1891 Lancashire, England -
Transcription
John Johnson Stepson Single Male 22 1869 Lancashire, England Coal Miner

Name: Robert Sudworth
Baptism Date: 15 May 1881
Baptism Place: Kippax, St Mary, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Kippax, St Mary
Father: Abraham Sudworth
Mother: Jane Sudworth

Name: Anna Sudworth
Baptism Date: 15 May 1881
Baptism Place: Kippax, St Mary, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Kippax, St Mary
Father: Abraham Sudworth
Mother: Jane Sudworth




Jane's death
Name: Jane Sudworth
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Barnsley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 134

Well blow me down! Thank you so much ErikaH.

I guess that Peter and Jane parted company at some stage. Their son John Thomas was with the grandparents in 1871.

Wonder if the 2nd baptism of the son was to do with claiming parish relief?


I rather think the name Sodsworth suits the whole bunch :-D

Thank you again. x

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

SUDWORTH, ROBERT BYERS Order
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 152

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Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
Orme Jane Wigan 8c 23
Sudworth Abraham Wigan 8c 23

Name: Jane Orme
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1845
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Dec 1871
Parish: Douglas in Parbold, Lancashire, England
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Spouse: Abraham Sudworth
Spouse Age: 28
Spouse Father: Wm Sudworth
Register Type: Parish Register

Jane claims to be a widow, and does not name a father



1881
Name: Abraham Sodsworth
[Abraham Sudworth]
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Jane Sodsworth
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston Le Willows, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kippax
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Moore Gate
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Tadcaster
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4711
Folio: 77
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Sodsworth 37
Jane Sodsworth 36
Betsey Holme 14****************Stepdaughter
William Sodsworth 8
Hannah Sodsworth 4
Robert Sodsworth 2

Can't see them in Platt Lane, Wigan in 1871

I wonder why the son was baptised twice? He was born after they married - just!

Thank you both. Yes I think that is his first marriage to Jane Byers but I don't know what happens to her...........

He seems to get around a bit!! :-D