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Another sibling for Margret.

Ellen SEATER (F)...................... C: 17 Sep 1815
Father: Robt. SEATER Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Marion HARCUS Scotland

Death of grandson Andrew who was the informant on Margaret's death certificate. Also living with Margaret in the 1891 census.


GunnerHARCUS, A

Service Number 91542

Died 03/08/1917

Aged 27

95th Siege Bty.
Royal Garrison Artillery

Son of Andrew and Jessie Harcus; husband of Frances Harcus, of Dogtoo, Westray, Orkney. Native of Tirlot, Westray.



Orkney Islands, Scotland
Andrew Harcus grave monument:
full name burial
date age birth
date relationship

Andrew Harcus
16 April 1918 61 1857 first name on monument
Francis Harcus nee Burgher
daughter-in-law of Andrew Harcus Not in this grave
Cnr Rga Andrew Harcus
22 son of Andrew Harcus Intered in the new military cemetary two and a half miles of Ypes. See Westray War Memorial
Jessie Harcus nee Rendall
wife of Andrew Harcus Erected this stone

Margaret's birth and her parents' marriage already posted.
From the middle name (Drever) of son George, I would have thought the other set of parents would be the right one - but clearly not!

Yes, from looking at the Orkney records in general, there are lots of Seaters, Harcuses, and Drevers, all intermarrying.

SEATER
ISABEL
ROBERT SEATER/MARION HARCUS FR142 (FR142)
F
04/04/1817
033/
10 132
Westray and Papa Westray

SEATER
ISOBEL
ROBERT SEATER/MARION HARCUS FR102 (FR102)
F
04/04/1817
033/
10 93
Westray and Papa Westray

SEATER
JEAN
ROBERT SEATER/MARION HARCUS FR274 (FR274)
F
21/04/1819
033/
10 329
Westray and Papa Westray

SEATER
MARGRET
ROBERT SEATER/MARION HARCUS FR104 (FR104)
F
18/04/1821
033/
10 95
Westray and Papa Westray

this last posted previously but here in the order of births to the same parents to show the family.

I know this has been posted but other records have Marion and Mary Ann but Mary Ann // Marion would sound similar when spoken

Surname Forename Spouse Name Date Parish Number Ref Parish

SEATER
ROBERT
MARY ANN/HARCUS FR1247 (FR1247)
24/11/1814
021/
40 329
Kirkwall

Had a few spare credits -

Margaret Rendall widow of John Rendall a Crofter

Died October 24th -- hour 0 minutes at Tirlot, Westside, Westray aged 94

Father - Robert Seater deceased
Mother - Marion Seatter maiden surname Harcus deceased
Cause of death - Senile Decay
Informant - Andrew Harcus grandson - present at death

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Death below - Thomas Rendall single aged 1 year died 9 November s/o James Rendall Farm Servant and Annie Jean Rendall nee Harcus

Cause - Intersusception

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Lots of common names within families in a small community!

Information and pictures re address given for place of death are on google

This is the details from their gravestone. Death certificates name the parents on them.


John Rendall grave monument in Cross Kirk Tuquoy Church burial ground, Westray, Orkney Islands, Scotland

full name burial
date age birth
date relationship

John Rendall
05 November 1875 68 1807 first name on monument
John Rendall
21 November 1885 29 1856 son of John Rendall
George Rendall
22 May 1921 67 1854 son of John Rendall
Margaret Rendall nee Seater
24 October 1915 94 1821 wife of John Rendall


RENDALL

MARGARET

94


1915

033/1 22

Westray

from scotlandspeople

I understand that you have the births of the children but sometimes middle names are a big help in finding which family names are relevant to their particular branch of the family. In this case, we have Scott, Eachim and Seatter and Drever.

A lot of families also stuck to the Scottish naming pattern.

First son is named for the Father's Father.
Second son is named for the Mother's Father.
Third son is named for the Father's Father's Father.
Fourth son is named for the Mother's Mother's Father.
Fifth son is named for the Father's Mother's Father.
Sixth son is named for the Mother's Father's Father.
Seventh through Tenth sons are named for the Father's Great-Grandfathers.
Tenth through Fourteenth sons for the Mother's Great-Grandfathers.

First daughter is named for the Mother's Mother.
Second daughter is named for the Father's Mother.
Third daughter is named for the Mother's Father's Mother.
Fourth daughter is named for the Father's Father's Mother.
Fifth daughter is named for the Mother's Mother's Mother.
Sixth daughter is named for the Father's Mother's Mother.
Seventh through tenth daughters are named for the Mother's Great-Grandmothers.
Tenth through fourteenth daughters for the Father's Great-Grandmothers.

NOTES:

In some cases you will find that the order is reversed with the first and second children, i.e. the first-born son being named after the mother's father and the second-born son after the father's father. If this is the case then the daughters are also usually reversed.

You will also find instances where a child is named 'out of pattern', after an aunt or uncle who has died, or after an admired other relative or friend of the parent.

If a child dies in infancy, his or her name is often given to a subsequent child - a natural consequence of the high birth rate and infant mortality rates of past times.

These are only general guidelines and were certainly not always followed.

From http://www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tirlot, Westray & Papa Westray, Westray, Orkney, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Margaret Rendall Head Widow Female 70 1821 Orkney, Scotland Farmers Widow
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George Rendall Son Unmarried Male 37 1854 Orkney, Scotland Farm Servant
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Jessie Harcus Daughter Married Female 27 1864 Orkney, Scotland -
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Andrew Harcus Son-In-Law Married Male 34 1857 Westray, Orkney, Scotland Fisherman
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Andrew Harcus Grandson - Male 1 1890 Westray, Orkney, Scotland -

Marriages of the two possible sets of parents:

SEATER
ROBERT
MARY ANN/HARCUS FR1247 (FR1247)
24/11/1814
021/
40 329
Kirkwall


and two entries for the other one:

SEATER
ROBERT
ANN DREVER/FR144 (FR144)
09/11/1817
033/
10 135
Westray and Papa Westray


SEATOR
ROBERT
ANN DREVER/FR262 (FR262)
09/11/1817
033/
10 317
Westray and Papa Westray

Of course it's also possible that your Margaret isn't either of those whose records show on SP.

??

SEATER
MARGRET
ROBERT SEATER/ANN DREVER FR104 (FR104)
F
12/12/1820
033/
10 95
Westray and Papa Westray

Margret Seater
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Margret Seater
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Apr 1821
Christening Place: WESTRAY AND PAPA WESTRAY,ORKNEY,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Robert Seater
Mother's Name: Marion Harcus

could this be connected

Frances Seator
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Frances Seator
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Aug 1821
Christening Place: WESTRAY AND PAPA WESTRAY,ORKNEY,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: James Seator
Mother's Name: Catharine Rendall

Records suggest that she was born no later than 1821

Thank you have the children's births already trying to progress back the way

Children's births.

Isabella RENDALL (F).................. B: 3 Dec 1843 Ba:
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATOR Scotland

Isabella RENDALL (F).................. B: 5 Dec 1843
Father: John Armit RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATOR Scotland


Mary RENDALL (F)...................... B: 25 Jul 1846
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATOR


William RENDALL (M)................... B: 22 Aug 1848
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATOR Scotland


Robina Seator RENDALL (F)............. B: 30 Sep 1850
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATOR Scotland


George Drever RENDALL (M)............. B: 12 Jan 1854
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATOR Scotland


John RENDALL (M)...................... B: 14 May 1856
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATOR Scotland


Ellen Eackirn RENDALL (F)............. B: 28 Jun 1858
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATOR Scotland


Janet Seatter RENDALL (F)............. B: 30 Aug 1863
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margart SEATTER Scotland


Margaret Scott RENDALL (F)............ B: 8 Jan 1867
Father: John RENDALL Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney,
Mother: Margaret SEATTER Scotland


Have to go out for a wee while but will be back soon.

Civil registration didn't start in Scotland until 1st Jan 1855, so the info you have is a parish record, and not a cert

Census for Margaret is correct

John in 1841. Strange none of the children are named after his parents.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tinlot, Westray, Orkney, Scotland


First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Rendal Male 60 1781 Orkney, Scotland
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Margaret Rendal Female 65 1776 Orkney, Scotland
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John Rendal Male 35 1806 Orkney, Scotland
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Nelly Rendal Female 20 1821 Orkney, Scotland


Possible Margaret in 1841. Doesn't help with her parents though.



1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gorn, Westray, Orkney, Scotland


First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
George Grey Male 60 1781 Orkney, Scotland
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Barbra Grey Female 65 1776 Orkney, Scotland
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William Rendall Male 20 1821 Orkney, Scotland
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>>Margaret Seater Female 20 1821 Orkney, Scotland
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Robert Rendall Male 20 1821 Orkney, Scotland
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Barbra Rendall Female 25 1816 Orkney, Scotland