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I am looking for information about the baldwins of colne,lancs I have just got some info[but no proof]
james baldwin [no birth date] marr to ------- had one son.
henry 1738-1808 at colne, he marr mary thornton??? know nothing on her,henry/mary
had 3 children, john who moved to harewood near leeds 1754-1829 who is my 4 times g/dad, and two girls jenny b1756 and sally 1759.

from me messing about henry/mary and their girls stayed in colne [waterside]

thankyou

john harper

What do you know about Mary's first husband please - was he called John?

You mention 'Waterside' - where does that come from?

Do you have any more info on any of them at all?

Dea x

P.S. - I don't know if you already use it but this site is very useful for the area:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Dea x

Is this the baptism you are assuming is your John's ?


John Baldwen
England Births and Christenings
Name John Baldwen
Residence Place Foulridge, Lancashire, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 1753
Christening Date (Original) OCT 1753
Christening Place ST.BARTHOLOMEWS, COLNE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Father's Name Henry Baldwen


As Dea says, his father cannot possibly be the woolcomber, who wasn't born himself at that time. (EDIT: Dea has since deleted her post.)

Is this the record you're going by for Jenny?


Jenny Baldwin
England Births and Christenings
Name Jenny Baldwin
Residence Place Colne, Lancashire, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 10 Oct 1756
Christening Date (Original) 10 Oct 1756
Christening Place St. Bartholomews, Colne, Lancashire, England
Name Note Illegitimate
Mother's Name Mary Baldwin

If so, her mother isn't the Mary who married Henry in 1795.

This is the only record I can see for a Sally Baldwin in Colne 1759 - but obviously completely different parents.
Where did you find your Sally's year of birth? (and Jenny's ?)


Sally Baldwin
England Births and Christenings
Name Sally Baldwin
Residence Place Colne, Lancashire, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 22 Apr 1759
Christening Date (Original) 22 Apr 1759
Christening Place St. Bartholomews, Colne, Lancashire, England
Father's Name Jno. Baldwin
Mother's Name Anne

The mother here is not named Mary, nor is the father named Henry

Baptism: 22 Apr 1759 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Sally Baldwin - daugr of Jno Baldwin & Anne
Abode: Colne
Register: Baptisms 1756 - 1774, Page 14, Entry 31
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Is this the one you think is your direct ancestor?

Baptism: 14 Oct 1753 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
John Baldwen - Son of Henry Baldwen
Abode: Colne
Register: Baptisms 1734 - 1756, Page 100, Entry 13
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Look here for info.............................

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/cgi-bin/mkindx.cgi?parish=Colne&type=Parish&community=

I have deleted that post for the minute AG as I got myself confused as well there so I thought I would start again - still working on it.

This is SO confused - I think the children (at least some of them) must belong to Mary's previous marriage but we obviously need more details - I had found 'possibles' for Sally & John (though ages way out for John) with parents John Thornton + Mary but nothing totally adds up.

The other death I had posted for 1808 for a Wood comber from Waterside unfortunately was for a JOHN Baldwin not a Henry :-( - Total confusion here I am afraid - apologies. <3

I am going for a large mug of coffee and will return.....................

Dea x

there are a number of births in waterside to father james
how do you know he only had one son

Baptism: 27 Jun 1731 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Maria Baldwin - filia Jacobi Baldwin
Abode: Waterside
Register: Baptisms 1697 - 1734, Page 194, Entry 33
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Baptism: 19 Sep 1736 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Ann Baldwin - dgtr of James Baldwin
Abode: Waterside
Register: Baptisms 1734 - 1756, Page 11, Entry 7
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Baptism: 28 Apr 1739 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Henry Baldwin - son of Jas Baldwin ------------------
Abode: Waterside
Register: Baptisms 1734 - 1756, Page 24, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Baptism: 10 Oct 1742 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Ann Baldwin - daughter of James Baldwin
Abode: Colne-Water-Side
Register: Baptisms 1734 - 1756, Page 38, Entry 8
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Burial: 10 Aug 1726 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Antonius Baldwin - parvus filius Jacobi Baldwin
Abode: Water-side
Register: Burials 1697 - 1741, Page 48, Entry 32
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Burial: 20 Oct 1729 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Johanes Baldwin - fils Jacobi Baldwin
Abode: Coln Waterside
Register: Burials 1697 - 1741, Page 55, Entry 32
Source: LDS Film 1471023

a maybe
Marriage: 3 Feb 1721/2 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Jacobus Baldwin - Barrowford
Gratia Veepen - Marsden Parva
Register: Marriages 1697 - 1734, Page 100, Entry 9
Source: LDS Film 1471023

There are also at least these 2 more, especially if the children mentioned were actually Mary's ?

We really need some more info from the OP.

Dea x

the children cannot be mary's if this is the marriage
Marriage: 26 Feb 1795 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Henry Baldwin - Woollcomber, Widower, this Chapelry ------------------------------------
Mary Thornton - (X), Widow, this Chapelry
Witness: Robert Bannister; James Ellis
Married by Banns by: W Wilkinson, Assistant Curate
Notes: No 11
Register: Marriages 1792 - 1805, Page 58, Entry 11
Source: LDS Film 1471024

henry ?
Burial: 26 Feb 1811 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Henry Baldwin -
Died: 23 Feb 1811
Age: 77
Abode: Swinden
Occupation: Woolcomber -------------------
Cause of Death: Old Age
Register: Burials 1790 - 1812, Page 157, Entry 44
Source: LDS Film 1471024

Sorry Maddie, I have not made myself clear.

I was referring to the 3 children referred to in the origininal post - John, Jenny and Sally.

You will note that on the marriage both Henry and Mary were widowed so either could have had previous children. Of course, any born to Mary would not be Baldwins but more likely Thorntons.

There are a couple of possibles for a John and a Sally Thornton, although their ages are somewhat 'out'. - The poster did not give a surname for these children.

On this marriage Henry was around 57 years of age - if Mary was of a similar age they would not have had further children and in any case the 3 children predate this marriage by approx 40 years.

All very strange.

Dea x

no im sorry i misread, as far as i can see jenny and sally given the dob were not henrys ????

can't find an ealier marriage apart from 1762 or 1764 either

The poster says Henry died in 1808

If so, this could be him

Burial: 14 Jan 1808 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Henry Baldwin -
Died: 12 Jan 1808
Age: 70
Abode: Waterside
Occupation: Hatter
Cause of Death: Decline
Register: Burials 1790 - 1812, Page 131, Entry 15
Source: LDS Film 1471024

This one also fits the location info

We need to know how he worked back to these people - and how much of the info has been proved

In his opening post he says -

" I have just got some info [but no proof]"

Sorry, obviously didn't make myself clear enough - I was referring to the later info - about the direct line, which is allegedly to John, born c1754.

from a tree on ancestry
John Baldwin
Abt. 1754 • Colne Lancashire

1754

(AGE)
Birth of Son Thomas Baldwin(1777–1824)
22 Jun 1777 • Stubhouse Farm, Harewood, Yorkshire England

1777

23
Birth of Daughter Mary Baldwin(1779–1851)
1779 • Harewood Yorkshire

1779

25
Birth of Son John Baldwin(1781–)
1781 • Harewood Yorkshire

1781

27
Birth of Son William Baldwin(1785–1788)
1785 • Harewood Yorkshire

1785

31
Birth of Son Henry Baldwin(1788–1866)
1788 • Harewood Yorkshire

1788

34
Death of Son William Baldwin(1785–1788)
1788

1788

34
Birth of Son Joseph Baldwin(1790–)
1790 • Harewood Yorkshire

1790

36
Birth and Death of Daughter Margaret Baldwin(1793–1793)
1793 • Harewood Yorkshire

1793

39
Birth of Son George Baldwin(1794–1843)
1794 • Harewood Yorkshire

1794

40
Birth and Death of Son James Baldwin(1796–1796)
1796 • Harewood Yorkshire

1796

42
Birth of Son William Baldwin(1798–1826)
1798

1798

44
Birth of Daughter Sarah Baldwin(1800–)
1800 • Harewood Yorkshire

1800

46
Death of Wife Ann Brayshaw(1759–1810)
1810 • Weardley, Harewood, Yorkshire, England

1810

56
Death of Son Thomas Baldwin(1777–1824)
abt 1824 • Weardley, Harewood, Yorkshire, England

1824

70
Death of Son William Baldwin(1798–1826)
1826

1826

72
Death
1829 • Weardley, Harewood, Yorkshire, England

1829

75
Burial
29 Sep 1829 • Harewood , All Saints Church, Yorkshire, England

father named as henry - no further info

his marriage
Ann
Last name Brayshaw
Birth year -
Marriage year 1776
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Bawden
Residence Harewood
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Marriage place Harewood
Marriage date 30 Sep 1776
Spouse's residence Harewood
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Yes Maddie, there are a few trees on Ancestry which seem to have taken thir info from each other and none of them actually make much sense.

I will wait until our poster comes back with some more info as I don't think we will end up with any connection whatsoever with Lancashire if it is the Yorkshire John he is wanting.

Dea x

great minds think alike :-)

maybe he was a yorkshire lad, not too far from harewood

John Baldwin
Gender Male
Christening Date 24 May 1752
Christening Date (Original) 24 MAY 1752
Christening Place KEIGHLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Baldwin
Mother's Name Eleanor
Citing this Record

but certainly need imput from poster

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearc