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To all you nice people who have helped me and those who gave me a push,i told the wife about it and she said you need it sometimes, anyway I think 1 cannot go farther back than john 1854-1829 be cause in them days you don't up and go i have no proof
john
A VERY BIG THANKYOU ^TO U ALL

girls
one thing I thought last night,and there I cant prove it I think I have stud by his grave john baldwin, think MAYBE??? although its some where between 1998 and 2005 and just to ease my mind I explaned who I was and said I was his 4xg/son.


Right I am not being funny because 80% of the baldwins were within 4 miles of weardley and I know almost everthing about there lives, plus people with my surname HARPER also come within the same 4 miles now I cant prove soon of that right back to b1674 and in 2000 when I reaily started this family tree the harpers and baldwins it was somewhat easy to do.Even those who went to WW1 and them that never came home

MADDIE there is a few baldwins in Guiseleyand harpers and I have the book of memorial inscriptions St Oswalds at Guiseley.

but Maddie I have gone through the BALDWINS they are a different tribe
Regards john

you are so right
i still wonder if the keighley baptism could be viable, 20 miles from harewood, a lot closer than colne but its all speculation really

Ah - no, they're not.

I posted the Yeadon death thinking that was the one John meant, but of course he meant the one in Harewood, which I hadn't spotted.

As for the Colne versus Yorkshire question, I haven't a clue!
Too many Henrys and Johns for me to make sense of.

are these the same person

Name: John Baldwin
Age: 75
Birth Year: abt 1754
Burial Date: 29 Sep 1829
Burial Place: Harewood, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Harewood, All Saints
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says of weardley no occupation mentioned

Name: John Baldwin
Birth Date: abt 1756
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: 24 Oct 1829
Death Age: 73
Burial Date: 28 Oct 1829
Burial Place: Yeadon, Yorkshire, England
Denomination: Wesleyan
Piece Title: Piece 3972: Yeadon, Guisley (Wesleyan), 1827-1837

a cloth maker

Name: John Baldwen
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Oct 1753
Christening Place: Colne, Lancashire, England
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Father: Henry Baldwen
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Henry and Elizabeth in 1851 - (Erika already posted 1841 with first wife Ruth) :

Henry Baldwin
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Baldwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Harewood, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Harewood
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County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Weardley
Registration district: Otley
Sub-registration district: Harewood
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 2284
Folio: 62
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 62
Elizabeth Baldwin 54
Hannah Thompson 20 - daughter, unmarried, born Leeds
Hannah Smithson 85 - mother-in-law, widow, born Carlton

This is the death of John's wife - at least according to the tree info Maddie posted on page 1 of this thread :


Ann Baldwin
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812
Name: Ann Baldwin
Death Age: 52
Event Type: Burial
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1758
Death Date: abt 1810
Burial Date: 23 Aug 1810
Burial Place: Harewood, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Harewood, All Saints
Spouse: John Baldwin


All the image actually says is (on a page of burials 1810):

"Ann wife of John Baldwin of Weardley aged 52." When buried: August 23

Erika -

John was a labourer, per the 1847 marriage cert.

It doesn't say he was deceased.
And the John who died in Yeadon in 1829 was a cloth maker - not just a labourer.

And the death in 1829 which you mention?

Again no specific mention of Harewood.


John Baldwin
in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Name: John Baldwin
Birth Date: abt 1756
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: 24 Oct 1829
Death Age: 73
Burial Date: 28 Oct 1829
Burial Place: Yeadon, Yorkshire, England
Denomination: Wesleyan
Piece Title: Piece 3972: Yeadon, Guisley (Wesleyan), 1827-1837

Occupation: cloth maker.

Now we're getting somewhere! Thank you

What was John's occupation said to be on the marriage cert?

This is the marriage you mean, John ?
There's no mention of Harewood.

Henry Baldwin
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Name: Henry Baldwin
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1847
Marriage Place: Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Leeds, St Peter
Father: John Baldwin
Spouse: Elizabeth Thompson

Henry's a widower, and labourer.
Address: Made (?? Wade ) Lane.
Father: John Baldwin, labourer.

Elizabeth's a widow.
Address: Chatham Street
father: Thomas Smithson, farmer.

Marriage took place "in the parish church, in the parish of Leeds".

Witnesses: Henry Lazenby and Ann Lazenby.

Henry Lazenby signed; Ann and the bride and groom made their marks.


EDIT:
And I'm totally confused! I have no idea which Henry Baldwin we're talking about now!

Erikah
I have just spent 2 hours going thro my books and on ancestry, and I cannot 100% say
hear is proof,
,henrys 2nd marr to Elizabeth Thompson 1847 at h/wood there marr cert says henrys father is john baldwin this is from the parish records and he is also down in harewood death records of 1829. and while I was try to find the conecton between john and henry I found 2/3 family trees and they had him down. and I think it is on family search.
As well as that harewoods arcavist told me that as well, and I know there is not a baldwin in harewood before john he had 11 children and apart from William,margaret,james, they all lived a few more years.

kind regards john

Where on Ancestry?

In someone's tree? If so, is it backed up with documents?

There certainly isn't a baptism for Henry 1788 with father John that I can see

If I've missed it, please C&P for everyone's enlightenment. Thanks

Erikah
because its on ancestry so I put his name in and got his marr to ann brayshaw sept

1776, it also said the name could be boden/ bawden/, also said he was b weardley,1754 and as they are no more baldwins/boden/ bawden in weardley or harewood.

And as you know I have just got this new Iformation, what you have above is about 18 years ago it is my family and most of my relations living there are dead,i have gone through this a 1000 times just to prove to my self its mine.

John had 11 children of which4 died infant I have got all there BMD and there children
there occ,and there deaths I can show you there graves
regards john

You still haven't said how you arrived at the conclusion that Henry's father's name was John.

That's what we're trying to get you to tell us...................

harewood parish records
I can prove it some where this house is henrys death cert for 1866 which also give his age john comes from parish records and besides that I have spent a lot of time walking around them, they are 2 some at harewood church up to early1840 as the church is about 500 yards from the main house No2 the road strait across from harewood gates to Wetherby road called harewood ave about half a mile there is a modern g/yard about size of a football pitch,

and when I was a member of Yorkshire archaeological society I bought a lot of books about 12 to 15, about census I most of west yorks.



When 1 started this I had a friend brian jones who did a lot of work for me I was earning very good money so I paid for what he did, he was a very good genealogist

other than what we a seeking I would put money on if
regards john

BUT - can you prove any of it prior to Henry (1788)?

You haven't indicated the source of your 'info' about Henry's parentage.

Erikah
hear is my line
me b 1944
George Holroyd 1911-1971 [ my dad] b leeds,george is the son of

agnes Holroyd harper Ne baldwin she marr john harper 1910,

agnes Holroyd baldwin b weardley 1878-1968 is the daug of henry baldwin ,

henry baldwin 1824-1889 is the son of henry baldwin 1788-1866, he is the son of John baldwin

1754-1829,and

henry baldwin is the son of john baldwin 1754-1819


now john was thought to be born harewood now that looks wrong he was born colne

He was the son of henry1738- 1808 b colne

hope that helps, I think this is what you want

john harper

I agree Erika - It is eluding me too.

Dea x

Sorry John, but as far as I can see, you haven't demonstrated on here that there is a direct proven line from Henry born c1788 to John born in Colne.

Perhaps I'm missing something................