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John, you ask this:

"but what does all this mean I assume its latin,
maria baldwin Filia jacobi baldwin, Parvus filiia, Graia Veepen marsden Parve"

It means - Maria Baldwin - (youngest or younger) daughter of James (or Jacob) Baldwin and a lady called GraTia Veepen. - born in Marsden Parva.

Here is their marriage (as posted by Maddie on page 1):

Marriage: 3 Feb 1721/2 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancs.
Jacobus Baldwin - Barrowford
Gratia Veepen - Marsden Parva
Register: Marriages 1697 - 1734, Page 100, Entry 9
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Dea x

TO ERIKAH
what you put on about henrys death I think is right his birth/death are ok 1739 though he could been born late 1738.

MADDIE that long list you put on all the film No are the same I know I am still learning

but what does all this mean I assume its latin,
maria baldwin Filia jacobi baldwin, Parvus filiia, Graia Veepen marsden Parve

Ihave being messing about trying to find there births deaths marr,
all that info you put on Maddie It looks as though there a more kids

kind regards john

ERIKAH

thankyou very much, henry baldwin 1788-1866 the son of john [ from colne]18 54-1829.The son of henry1824 -1889,then my g/mum henrys daug1878-1968
the first henry marr ruth baron 1806 at adel ruth d 1845 he remar to Elizabeth Thompson in 1847 n0 children she d 1861 they had 5 children. Henry b 1824 marr ann Watson

1826-1860 she gave him 3 children 2 died young 1 ruth d 1881 from terrible burns

[ she had a fit and fell into the fire], henry 1824-1889 marr mary holroyd1866 and she gave him 10 children one of was my g/mum.
Can you find anything about mary thornton I cant find out anything as she would have used her marr name and not ther maidern name,i have been on famiylsearch. org and found henry and marys wedding,but nothinh about mary as you say shes been marr before so thornton is not her maiden name I did find that henry baldwins 1738 -1808 his father was JAS and nothing else

very kind regards john

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Name: Henry Bawden (Occ: husbandman)
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Jun 1806
Marriage Place: Adel,York,England
Spouse: Ruth Barron
FHL Film Number: 98497

I feel it might be useful to see the definite 'line' as far as possible


BALDWIN, AGNES HOLROYD HOLROYD Order
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in WETHERBY Volume 09A Page 130

Name: Henry Baldwin
Marriage Age: 40
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1826
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1866
Marriage Place: New Mill, Christ Church, Yorkshire, England
Father: Henry Baldwin - farmer
Spouse: Mary Holroyd
Spouse father: George Holroyd - labourer


1881
Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Baldwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Harewood, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Weardley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Low Weardley
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Blacksmith
Registration district: Wetherby
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4332
Folio: 47
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 56
Mary Baldwin 35
Ruth Baldwin 28
Emma Baldwin 14
Henry Baldwin 12
Sarah H. Baldwin 10
Ada Baldwin 7
Eliz. Baldwin 5
Agnes H. Baldwin 2
George W. Baldwin


Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1824
Baptism Date: 7 Nov 1824
Baptism Place: Harewood, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Father: Henry Baldwin
Mother: Ruth Baldwin


With first wife

1851
Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Baldwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Harewood, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Harewood
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Otley
Sub-registration district: Harewood
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 2284
Folio: 61
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 26
Ann Baldwin 24


Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
Baldwin Henry Otley 23 451
WATSON Ann Otley 23 451

BALDWIN, RUTH WATSON Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in OTLEY Volume 09A Page 113


Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: 1825
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Yardley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Holbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: Holbeck
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hunslet
Sub-registration district: Holbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 3364
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 36
Ruth Baldwin 8
Elizabeth Baldwin 7
Ellen Holmes 66 Servant


Parents and sibling in 1841

Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Harewood
Hundred: Skyrack (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Otley
Sub-registration district: Harewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1313
Book: 12
Folio: 3
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 50 Ag Lab
Ruth Baldwin 55
Ruth Baldwin 20

ALL born Yorkshire

Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 78
Birth Year: abt 1788
Burial Date: 8 Jul 1866
Burial Place: Harewood, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Harewood, All Saints

You will find that info on the very first post I put on here - the records, and many others for the Lancashire area can be found here:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Dea x

how do get St barthoiomew parish records are the on line

baldwin part 2
the reason is I understand that mary thornton and henry baldwin marr as I undersand

were marr 26 fed 1795 and as jennyb1756,sally b1759 john b1754 at first i thought they were brother/sister, henry 1738- 1808 mary thornton where was she from what was her birth/death,i do agree with you girls that my gggg dad was b colne and not harewood but why did he came to harewoodi have john baldwin job record he was gardener and also a gentle mans gentle man, now as I understand it as new harewood house was not built till 1780s he must have worked in the old house gold--- hall. and why was he the first baldwin there.Now I have spent a lot of time at weardley school hols an that but that 60 od years ago ,

no one can tell when the first baldwins came I even spoke to Lord Harewood about it 10 years ago and he did not know.

Know henry baldwin 1738-1808 his father was james so can you find out about mary thornton and henrys dad james and is it posable to find henrys first wife, this baldwin tree from john b1754 to my nanna agnes Holroyd baldwin 1878-1968 they are 100s of them ;-)

regards john hope to here more from you

Ok girls
I was looking for some info on find my past and some how I got this about john boden/baldwin b in colne 1754, now my 4/5 times g/dad john baldwin was born 1754 and d1829 over the past yaers people some that do this for a living have said how come the baldwins just turned up in harewood h/wood house was built 1750-1790 but there rose garden has walls that are old very old I dug deeper and found there was an other house there gold burough hall or some name like it.

now I know weardley like the back of my hand about40% of baldwins live there I have heard that lord harewood built it for is staff, and about 40% live in harewood the people that live their now some are related to the baldwins.

I got my information from the baldwin family tree on find my past/ ancestry



DEA you could be right I have taken it as ok

MADDIE you areright with what you put on here.but I was told john was b abourt harewood again I haveno proof

ERIKAH I think you are spot on also with henrys burial, As far as I know nothing is proved.

Now from reading your replays I think they both bee married before and john,sally, jenny were part of henrys first marr or part of marys marr.

Now I have to go I have not done with this as yet

kind regards john harper

great minds think alike :-)

maybe he was a yorkshire lad, not too far from harewood

John Baldwin
Gender Male
Christening Date 24 May 1752
Christening Date (Original) 24 MAY 1752
Christening Place KEIGHLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Baldwin
Mother's Name Eleanor
Citing this Record

but certainly need imput from poster

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearc

Yes Maddie, there are a few trees on Ancestry which seem to have taken thir info from each other and none of them actually make much sense.

I will wait until our poster comes back with some more info as I don't think we will end up with any connection whatsoever with Lancashire if it is the Yorkshire John he is wanting.

Dea x

from a tree on ancestry
John Baldwin
Abt. 1754 • Colne Lancashire

1754

(AGE)
Birth of Son Thomas Baldwin(1777–1824)
22 Jun 1777 • Stubhouse Farm, Harewood, Yorkshire England

1777

23
Birth of Daughter Mary Baldwin(1779–1851)
1779 • Harewood Yorkshire

1779

25
Birth of Son John Baldwin(1781–)
1781 • Harewood Yorkshire

1781

27
Birth of Son William Baldwin(1785–1788)
1785 • Harewood Yorkshire

1785

31
Birth of Son Henry Baldwin(1788–1866)
1788 • Harewood Yorkshire

1788

34
Death of Son William Baldwin(1785–1788)
1788

1788

34
Birth of Son Joseph Baldwin(1790–)
1790 • Harewood Yorkshire

1790

36
Birth and Death of Daughter Margaret Baldwin(1793–1793)
1793 • Harewood Yorkshire

1793

39
Birth of Son George Baldwin(1794–1843)
1794 • Harewood Yorkshire

1794

40
Birth and Death of Son James Baldwin(1796–1796)
1796 • Harewood Yorkshire

1796

42
Birth of Son William Baldwin(1798–1826)
1798

1798

44
Birth of Daughter Sarah Baldwin(1800–)
1800 • Harewood Yorkshire

1800

46
Death of Wife Ann Brayshaw(1759–1810)
1810 • Weardley, Harewood, Yorkshire, England

1810

56
Death of Son Thomas Baldwin(1777–1824)
abt 1824 • Weardley, Harewood, Yorkshire, England

1824

70
Death of Son William Baldwin(1798–1826)
1826

1826

72
Death
1829 • Weardley, Harewood, Yorkshire, England

1829

75
Burial
29 Sep 1829 • Harewood , All Saints Church, Yorkshire, England

father named as henry - no further info

his marriage
Ann
Last name Brayshaw
Birth year -
Marriage year 1776
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Bawden
Residence Harewood
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Marriage place Harewood
Marriage date 30 Sep 1776
Spouse's residence Harewood
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Sorry, obviously didn't make myself clear enough - I was referring to the later info - about the direct line, which is allegedly to John, born c1754.

In his opening post he says -

" I have just got some info [but no proof]"

The poster says Henry died in 1808

If so, this could be him

Burial: 14 Jan 1808 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Henry Baldwin -
Died: 12 Jan 1808
Age: 70
Abode: Waterside
Occupation: Hatter
Cause of Death: Decline
Register: Burials 1790 - 1812, Page 131, Entry 15
Source: LDS Film 1471024

This one also fits the location info

We need to know how he worked back to these people - and how much of the info has been proved

no im sorry i misread, as far as i can see jenny and sally given the dob were not henrys ????

can't find an ealier marriage apart from 1762 or 1764 either

Sorry Maddie, I have not made myself clear.

I was referring to the 3 children referred to in the origininal post - John, Jenny and Sally.

You will note that on the marriage both Henry and Mary were widowed so either could have had previous children. Of course, any born to Mary would not be Baldwins but more likely Thorntons.

There are a couple of possibles for a John and a Sally Thornton, although their ages are somewhat 'out'. - The poster did not give a surname for these children.

On this marriage Henry was around 57 years of age - if Mary was of a similar age they would not have had further children and in any case the 3 children predate this marriage by approx 40 years.

All very strange.

Dea x

henry ?
Burial: 26 Feb 1811 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Henry Baldwin -
Died: 23 Feb 1811
Age: 77
Abode: Swinden
Occupation: Woolcomber -------------------
Cause of Death: Old Age
Register: Burials 1790 - 1812, Page 157, Entry 44
Source: LDS Film 1471024

the children cannot be mary's if this is the marriage
Marriage: 26 Feb 1795 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Henry Baldwin - Woollcomber, Widower, this Chapelry ------------------------------------
Mary Thornton - (X), Widow, this Chapelry
Witness: Robert Bannister; James Ellis
Married by Banns by: W Wilkinson, Assistant Curate
Notes: No 11
Register: Marriages 1792 - 1805, Page 58, Entry 11
Source: LDS Film 1471024

There are also at least these 2 more, especially if the children mentioned were actually Mary's ?

We really need some more info from the OP.

Dea x