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Thank you everyone you have all been so busy I would never have got this far or collected so much information thank you very much
Nellie

This is daughter. Margaret in 1891- with her maternal Grandmother too:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mill Street, Kirkham, Fylde, Lancashire, England

Owen Croughan Head Married Male 24 1867 Ireland Labourer Flax Mill
Margaret Croughan Wife Married Female 24 1867 Lancashire, England Rover Flax Mill
John Jas Croughan Son - Male 4 1887 Lancashire, England -
Ellen McLoughlin Grandmother Widow Female 64 1827 Ireland House Keeper
Mary McLoughlin Boarder Married Female 22 1869 Scotland Spinner In A Flax Mill
Margaret McLoughlin Boarder Single Female 22 1869 Scotland Spinner In A Flax Mill
Thomas McLoughlin Boarder - Male 0 1891 Lancashire, England

Ah yes- that death is likely! Here is Bernard in 1911 with daughter, Margaret (Margaret Riley married Owen Croughan in 1886) :

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7 Orders Lane Kirkham, Kirkham, Lancashire, England

Margaret Crougham Head Widow Female 44 1867 Kirkham Lancs Cotton Intermediate Frame Tenter
John Joe Crougham Son Widower Male 25 1886 Kirkham Lancs Scutching Machine Tenter
Joseph Crougham Grandson - Male 5 1906 Kirkham Lancs
Bernard Kiley Father Married Male 64 1847 Longford Ireland General Labourer

(extra details for Bernard are crossed through as information only applies to women- states 48 yrs married, 12 children born alive- 4 still living)

Interestingly- Bernard has the correct amount of years married (48 years in 1911= 1863 marriage). HOWEVER, on the 1911 Mary Ann states she has only been married 39 years- possibly to cover her ever decreasing age!

In 1911 both Bernard and Mary Ann state that they had 12 children, with only 4 still living.

:-D

Fingers crossed AG. Looks like there were a few more children that possibly died- but difficult to know which ones.

I wonder if Bernard returned to England. I couldn't see his death in Belfast, and Mary was a widow when she died in 1918?

Death
First name(s) BERNARD
Last name RILEY
Gender Male
Birth year 1845
Age 72
Death quarter 3
Death year 1917
District Fylde
County Lancashire
Volume 8E Page 540

I think you've cracked it, AQ!

Still working on this- ages are out, but seems to be correct family

Births:

RILEY, MARGARET MCLAUGHLAN
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 546

RILEY, BARTHOLOMEW MCLAUGHLEN
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 593

RILEY, JANE MCLOUGHLIN
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 35

RILEY, MARY AGNES MCLAUGHLIN
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 684

RILEY, BERNARD MCLAUGHLIN
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 673

RILEY, JOSEPH MCLOUGHLIN
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 680 Occasional Copy: A
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mill Street, Kirkham, Fylde, Lancashire, England

Bernard Riley Head - Male 23 1848 - Ireland
Mary Anne Riley Wife - Female 25 1846 - Ireland
Margaret Riley Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England
Bartholomew Riley Son - Male 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
Ellen McGlaughlan Mother-In-Law - Female 54 1817 - Ireland
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Mill Street, Kirkham, Fylde, Lancashire, England

Mary Ann Riley Head Married Female 34 1847 Ireland Operative Linen
Margaret Riley Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Kirkham, Lancashire, England Operative Linen
Jane Riley Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Pendleton, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary Agnes Riley Daughter Single Female 0 1881 Kirkham, Lancashire, England -
Ellen Mc Loughlen Moth Widow Female 60 1821 Ireland Operative Linen
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Possible marriage??
Marriages Dec 1863
Bell Sarah Jane Fylde 8e 796
Conolly Patrick Fylde 8e 796
McLoughlen Mary Ann Fylde 8e 796 <<<<
Riley Bernard Fylde 8e 796<<<<

Found the service record for Joseph- states he was born in Blackpool:

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Reilly
Birth year 1885
Birth parish Kirkham
Birth town Blackpool
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 681
Regiment Royal Army Medical Corps
Year 1902
Attestation date 14 May 1902
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 10
Attestation service number 681
Attestation corps R A M C M
Document type Attestation
Discharged: 1908
Next of kin: Father: Bernard, 48 Chatham St. Belfast

On Mary's death in 1918 she is listed as the Widow of Bernard

Name MARY ANN REILLY
Year of Death 1918
Group Registration ID 5622773
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 66
Widow of Bernard Reilly, labourer
Abode: 15 Oakfield Street
Informant: Jane Rodgers, daughter

The 1911 census shows Mary Agnes Mc Cully nee Reilly to be aged 28 and born England, so she does seem to be the right Mary Agnes Reilly.

Residents of a house 83 in Palmer Street (Shankill, Antrim)

McCully John 31 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Belfast General Labourer Read and write - Married - 6 - -
McCully Mary Agnes 28 Female Wife Roman Catholic England

So there is a possibility that Bernard might be also known as Thomas?

Interesting???


When Joseph Reilly married Margaret Monaghan in 1904, his address was 60 Butler Street Belfast.

I found this marriage the following year.:

Party 1 Name JOHN MCCULLY
Party 2 Name MARY REILLY
Date of Event 23 April 1905
Group Registration ID 1984751
SR District/Reg Area Belfast

The bride is Mary AGNES Reilly, of full age, of 60 BUTLER St, but her father is THOMAS Reilly deceased labourer, not Bernard. Yet her mother Mary Ann Reilly is described as married in 1911 when she is living with the Rodgers family and widowed son Joseph.

No Reilly witnesses.

Just throwing it out there in case Bernard was sometimes known as Thomas...

John McCully is a labourer of 93 or 95 Butler Street.

Don't know if you've looked into this Bernard- listed as born Bolton, but living in Warrington:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Town Hill, Warrington, Lancashire & Cheshire, England

Patrick Riley Head Married Male 33 1828 Tailor Ireland
Bridget Riley Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Ireland
Thomas Riley Son Single Male 11 1850 - Ireland
Bernard Riley Son Single Male 8 1853 - Bolton, England
Annie Riley Daughter Single Female 6 1855 - Bolton, England
Patrick Riley Son Single Male 3 1858 - Warrington, Lancashire, England
William Borsley Visitor Single Male 37 1824 Shoe Maker Ireland
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hill Street, Warrington, Lancashire & Cheshire, England

Patrick Riley Head - Male 40 1831 - Ireland
Thomas Riley Son - Male 21 1850 - Ireland
Bernard Riley Son - Male 18 1853 - Lancashire, England
Frances Riley Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Lancashire, England
Patrick Riley Son - Male 11 1860 - Lancashire, England

Thank you everyone I have a lot to look through now and half a chance of finding one of them Thank you again for your help
Nellie

???

RILEY, BERNARD mms HOLLAND
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 533

REILLY, BERNARD mms MORAN
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 89

REILLY, BERNARD JAMES mm PIGOTT
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 210

Marriage of Joseph Reilly and Margaret Monaghan

Party 1 Name JOSEPH REILLY
Party 2 Name MARGARET MONAGHAN
Date of Event 07 April 1904
Group Registration ID 1947362
SR District/Reg Area Belfast

Joseph Reilly labourer of 60 Butler St, son of BERNARD Reilly, labourer.
Margaret Monaghan of 44 Butler St daur of Patrick Monaghan postman.

Margaret died on 26th Dec 1910:

Name MARGARET REILLY
Year of Death 1910
Group Registration ID 5150170
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 26

Died at 51, Lisburn Rd. Aged 26 years. Married, wife of Joseph Reilly a labourer. Died of pulmonary tuberculosis certified. Death reported by Joseph Reilly widower of the deceased, present at the death 16 Oakfield St.


EDIT: 51 Lisburn Rd where Margaret died was a workhouse and is now the site of Belfast City Hospital.

If Bernard was born in Warrington (though can't see it) and Jane in Manchester, it's probably a reasonable bet that Joseph was also born in Lancashire, 1884-5.

There are these two possible Reilly births:

REILLY, JOSEPH mms KILLROY
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 593

REILLY, JOSEPH mms BYRNE
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 559

However, there are also quite a number of Joseph Riley births in Lancashire 1884-5

Nephew Thomas Reilly on the census 1911 above, is the son of Joseph Riley who is widowed by census 1911:

Name THOMAS REILLY
Date of Birth 26 September 1910
Group Registration ID 591485
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MONAGHAN

The register image says his father is Joseph Reilly of 16 Oakfield St (matches the census 1911 address), a labourer, and Mother is Margaret Reilly nee Monaghan.

Mary Ann Riley and her widowed son Joseph are living with Mary Ann's daughter Jane Rodgers and the Rodgers family in the Irish census of 1911. The Rileys are described as Catholic, thought Robert Rodgers is C of E.

So I guess we should be looking at Catholic records for the Rileys.


Residents of a house 8 in Oakfield Street (Clifton, Antrim)

Rodgers Robert 30 Male Head of Family C of England Co Antrim General Labourer Read and write - Married - 10 2 1
Rodgers Jane 30 Female Wife Roman Catholic England - Read and write - Married - 10 2 1
Rodgers William 9 Male Son Roman Catholic Belfast City Scholars Read and write - Single - - - -
Reilly Mary Ann 61 Female Mother in Law Roman Catholic Co Dublin - Read - Married - 39 12 4
Reilly Joseph 25 Male Brother in Law Roman Catholic England General Labourer Read and write - Widower - 6 3 2
Reilly Thomas Male Nephew Roman Catholic Belfast City - Cannot read

Jane states Bernard Riley is her father on the marriage register.

could it be that bernard was not the childrens father

Jane Riley married Robert Rodgers in Belfast in 1900:

Party 1 Name ROBERT RODGERS
Party 2 Name JANE REILLY
Date of Event 03 June 1900
Group Registration ID 2439219
SR District/Reg Area Belfast

He was a 21 yr old bachelor, labourer of 51 Byron St, Belfast, father was Henry Rodgers, bricklayer.

Jane Riley was aged 20, spinster, carder, of 31 Chatham St, Belfast, father Bernard Riley, labourer.

Witnesses David Lamour or Lamouck and Margaret Anne Riley.

The marriage took place in the parish church of St Anne's, Belfast.