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I found this baptism for a Maria Egginton daur of a Thomas Egginton in Birmingham c1820 (as per her 1851 census entry)

Name: Maria Egginton
Age: 1
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1819
Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1820
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Philip
Father: Thomas Egginton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Elizabeth Egginton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Father a jeweller, which matches with the marriage register entry.

More detail on the marriage of Richard Bacon to second wife Maria Eggington:


First name(s) Richard
Last name Bacon
Age 32
Birth year 1817
Marriage year 1849
Marriage date 15 Oct 1849
Marriage place Wolverhampton, St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Residence St Peters Row
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Bacon
Spouse's first name(s) Maria
Spouse's last name Egginton
Spouse's age 30
Spouse's residence St Peters Row
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Egginton
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1157/3/1/9
Page 7
Register type Marriage

Note we now have the name of Richard's father, another Richard Bacon.

Richard is described as a widower, a white metal smith, of St Peter's Row, and his father Richard is described as a shoemaker - so he is probably one of the cordwainers (cordwainer is an old word for a shoemaker) mentioned in the two possible baptisms I posted for Richard earlier, but no way of telling which one...

Maria is a spinster aged 30 of St Peter's Row, her father Thomas Eggington is described as a jeweller. The witnesses were Joseph Cotton and Mary Ann Cotton.

A possible death for the first wife of Richard Bacon, Maria nee Heely?

BACON, MARIA 28
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 231M
Second marriage of Richard Baker to Maria Eggington (parents of John Bacon, grandparents of Florence Elizabeth)

Marriages Dec 1849
Bacon Richard Wolverhampton 17 491
Egginton Maria Wolverhampton 17 491

Going back to Richard and Maria Bacon (Florence Elizabeth's grandparents) , I wonder if Richard were married to more than one Maria?

In census 1851 there is a large gap between son Richard born 1838, and son Thomas born c1850.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court New Town Row, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Richard Bacon Head Married Male 36 1815 Spoon Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Maria Bacon Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Richard Bacon Son - Male 13 1838 Spoon Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thomas Bacon Son - Male 1 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

I went back to the GRO to look for births for the baptisms on children of Richard and a Maria that I posted earlier:

BACON, THOMAS EGGINTON
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 293

BACON, WILLIAM EGGINTON
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 245

BACON, MARY EGGINTON
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 253

The birth of John?

BACON, JOHN EGGINTON
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 293

BACON, SARAH MARIA EGGINTON
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 274

Yet Richard born 1838 is mother named Heely, so I guess that Maria died and Richard then married and bred with Maria Egginton.

BACON, RICHARD HEELEY
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 16 Page 153

So I believe John Bacon's parents were Richard Bacon and Maria Eggington

Thank you all so much for all this info
Hubby's over the moon never really knew much about his mother's side .....He does now.
thanks again
Val
PS hope I can help you all one day

Going back to Florence Elizabeth's Whittingham grandparents, Richard and Elizabeth .

This seems to be their son Richard jr's birth:

WHITTINGHAM, RICHARD WESTON
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 363

and this is their daughter Alice's:

WHITTINGHAM, ALICE WESTON
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 42

so it looks like Elizabeth Whittingham, Florence Elizabeth Bacon's grandmother, was nee Elizabeth Weston.

There is indeed a marriage of an Elizabeth Weston and Richard Whittingham:

First name(s) Richard
Last name Whittingham
Age Full Age
Marriage year 1844
Marriage date 02 Jun 1844
Marriage place Wolverhampton, St Peter
Denomination Anglican
Residence Wolverhampton
Father's first name(s) R
Father's last name Whittingham
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Weston
Spouse's age Full Age
Spouse's residence Wolverhampton
Spouse's father's first name(s) J
Spouse's father's last name Weston
County Staffordshire
Country England

Both bride and groom are of full age. Richard is a mill maker, of Wolverhampton, son of R. Whittingham, a spring maker. The bride is also of Wolverhampton, daur of J Weston, a locksmith.

Unfortunately there are two possible baptisms at least, c1815 in Birmingham, , for Richard Bacon, Florence Elizabeth's grandfather:

Name: Richard Bacon
Baptism Date: 6 Dec 1814
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Martin
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Elizabeth Bacon

Father a cordwainer

or this one two days earlier:

Name: Richard Bacon
Age: 0
Birth Date: 4 Dec 1814
Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1815
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Philip
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Mary Bacon

Father is also a cordwainer.

It looks like Richard and Maria's daughter Mary might have married a Richard Whittingham, possible related to the Alice Whittingham that brother John Bacon married, the parents of Florence Elizabeth?

Marriages Dec 1877
Bacon Mary Birmingham 6d 379 <<<<<<<<<<
Hutt William Robert Birmingham 6d 379
Preston Mary Jane Birmingham 6d 379
WHITTINGHAM Richard Birmingham 6d 379<<<<<<<<<<<<


??? Census 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Oxford Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Richard Whittingham Head - Male 52 1819 - Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Whittingham Wife - Female 48 1823 - Staffordshire, England
Richard Whittingham Son - Male 15 1856 - Staffordshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<
Alice Whittingham Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Staffordshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charles H Whittingham Son - Male 3 1868 - Warwickshire, England

if the above is correct, with the Whittinghams born in Staffordshire, then Richard Whittingham is Alice Whittingham's father as well as Richard jr's.

Richard and Mery (nee Bacon) Whittingham in census 1881, with her brother John, as yet unmarried to Alice, staying with them.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

16, Westley Street, Dudley (Worcs), Dudley, Worcestershire & Staffordshire, England

Richard Whittingham Head Married Male 25 1856 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Safe Maker (Iron)
>>>>>Mary Whittingham Wife Married Female 24 1857 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England ;
Elizabeth Mary Whittingham Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Smethwick, Warwickshire, England -
Fred John Whittingham Son Single Male 0 1881 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>John Bacon Boarder Single Male 23 1858 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Safe Maker (Iron)

More baptisms for children of Richard and Maria

Name: William Bacon
Age: 0
Birth Date: 21 Aug 1854
Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1854
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Maria Bacon

Father a spoonmaker

Name: Mary Bacon
Age: 0
Birth Date: 20 Sep 1856
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1856
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St George
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Maria Bacon

Father a spoon maker

Name: John Bacon***********************
Age: 0
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1858
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1858
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Maria Bacon

Father a spoon maker

Name: Sarah Maria Bacon
Age: 0
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1861
Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1861
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Maria Bacon

Father a spoon maker

Baptisms for children of Maria and Richard Bacon, after the 1835 marriage:

Name: Richard Bacon
Age: 1
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1836
Baptism Date: 27 Mar 1837
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Maria Bacon

Father a metalsmith

Name: John Richard Bacon
Age: 0
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1843
Baptism Date: 6 Feb 1843
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Maria Bacon

Father a jeweller

Name: Thomas Bacon
Baptism Date: 19 May 1850
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Father: Richard Bacon
Mother: Maria Bacon

Father a spoon maker

????

The only marriage I can find in Birmingham for a Richard Bacon and Maria is to a Maria Heely, not Carr or Eggington as per the GRO birth refs I posted:

Name: Richard Bacon
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 15 Mar 1835
Marriage Place: Harborne, St Peter, England
Parish as it Appears: Harborne, St Peter
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Spouse: Maria Huly

Maria is a spinster, Richard a Bachelor. Her name could be Huly or Heely.

I think this marriage is correct.

EDIT: See later posts. I believe Richard Bacon first married Maria Heely, and after her death, he married Maria Eggington (mother of most of his children including John Bacon).

Richard and Maria Bacon in 1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court New Town Row, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Richard Bacon Head Married Male 36 1815 Spoon Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Maria Bacon Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Richard Bacon Son - Male 13 1838 Spoon Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thomas Bacon Son - Male 1 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Charles Edward's parent's marriage

Name: Charles Carrill
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1842
Marriage or Bann Date: 5 Nov 1871
Marriage Place: Garsington, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Garsington
Spouse: Elizabeth Smith
Fathers: William Carrill
William Smith

Banbury agian
Marriages Sep 1937
Bolton Arthur F Currill Banbury 3a 5493
Currill Gladys E Bolton Banbury 3a 5493

1939 register
Bolton Household (3 People) 45 Harrisvilla South Street , Banbury R.D., Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Gladys E Bolton 06 Feb 1916 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Arthur F Bolton 26 Sep 1915 Cowman
Peter John Bolton 10 Mar 1939 Under School Age

If he was registered with his first name, possible birth reg

CURRILL, EDWARD CHARLES mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in WALLINGFORD Volume 02C Page 324

1891
Heath End, Coxs Lane, Newnham Murren, Wallingford, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

Edward C Currill Head Married Male 49 1842 Garsington, Oxon Shepherd
Elizabeth Currill Wife Married Female 45 1846 Gasington, Oxon
Alice E Currill Daughter Single Female 19 1872 Garsington, Oxfordshire, England General Domestic Servant
Mary Currill Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Chipping Hersh, England -
Mark Currill Son Single Male 13 1878 Chalgrove, Oxon Carter Boy
Harriet E Currill Daughter - Female 10 1881 South Stoke Scholar
Laura L Currill Daughter - Female 7 1884 South Stoke Scholar
Susan E Currill Daughter - Female 5 1886 South Stoke
Edward C Currill Son - Male 3 1888 South Stoke

1911
Name: Charles Edward Burrill
[Charles Edward Currill]
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Boarder
Birth Place: Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wokingham Without
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County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address: Pikes Farm Cottages, Nr Wokingham, Berkshire
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Under Cowman On Farm
Registration district: Wokingham
Registration District Number: 122
Sub-registration district: Wokingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 81
Piece: 6616
Household Members:
Name Age
William Charles Larner 33
Emily Mary Larner 29
Thomas Charles Larner 5
Emily Sophia Lousia Larner 3
Charles Edward Burrill 23

,looks like edward b was married by 1939

Currill Household (2 People) 2 Astrop Wells , Brackley R.D., Northamptonshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Edward B Currill 09 Jun 1913 Cowman
Mary A R L Currill 16 Feb 1910 Domestic Servant

1939
Currill Household
Banbury R.D., Oxfordshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Florence E Currill 1889
Charles E Currill 1888
and 2 more people are on this record 2 more people who are officially closed

Name: Charles E Currill
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 23 Jan 1888
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Old Paper Mill Cottages
Residence Place: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
Occupation: Cowman
Schedule Number: 210
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DZBI
Registration district: 158/2
Inferred Spouse: Florence E Currill
Inferred Children: Phyllis Currill
Margaret L Currill
Household Members:
Name
Charles E Currill
Florence E Currill
This record is officially closed.
Phyllis Currill
Margaret L Currill

John Bacon in census 1861 with his parents, Florence's grandparents?


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Fox and Dogs, Holt Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England

Richard Bacon Head Married Male 46 1815 Retail Brewer And Spoon Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Maria Bacon Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Elizabeth Bacon Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Acton, Warwickshire, England
William Bacon Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Acton, Warwickshire, England
Mary Bacon Daughter - Female 4 1857 Scholar Acton, Warwickshire, England
John Bacon Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Acton, Warwickshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<

POssible birth of John in Aston. Mother maiden name: Eggington

BACON, JOHN EGGINTON
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 293 Order

or could be this one?

BACON, JOHN EVANS CARR
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 69 Order