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Tamar Hodgson nee Pickering 1851/1861 census

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Marian

Marian Report 11 Jul 2018 22:05

Thanks Argyll. Hope you find your Naughty Auntie Edie - lol.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jul 2018 21:37

Johnson N Hodgson
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Johnson N Hodgson
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1873
Mother: Sarah Hodgson
Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Residence Place: Bishop Wearmouth, Durham, England
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, Institution or Vessel: 8a
Neighbors:
Piece: 4128
Folio: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Hodgson 47
Johnson N Hodgson 18
Sarah E Hodgson 22
Margaret Taylor 69


Johnson Nicholas Hodgson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Johnson Nicholas Hodgson
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 49 St Lukes Terr Pallion Sunderland
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Fitter (engine)
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration District Number: 555
Sub-registration district: Sunderland West
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 30166
Household Members:
Name Age
Johnson Nicholas Hodgson 38
Sarah Jane Hodgson 38
John Andrew Hodgson 18
Dorothea Hodgson 16
Grace Hodgson 11
William Hodgson 9
Ethel Hodgson 5



Johnson Nicholas Hodgson
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Johnson Nicholas Hodgson
Death Date: 20 Jan 1947
Death Place: Sunderland
Probate Date: 12 May 1947
Registry: Durham, England

Administration to William Hodgson, fitter and turner.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jul 2018 21:34

Johnson Nicholas Hodgson
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Johnson Nicholas Hodgson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1872
Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1872
Baptism Place: Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Father: Nicholas Hodgson
Mother: Sarah Hodgson
FHL Film Number: 1514545


Johnson Hodgson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Johnson Hodgson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Sarah Hodgson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 20 Watsons Lane
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 4986
Folio: 162
Page Number: 109
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Hodgson 43
Johnson Hodgson 8
Sarah E. Hodgson 10
Margaret Taylor 62

Marian

Marian Report 11 Jul 2018 21:09

This is great.

Awful though, being at sea so young.

Just found 1881 for Sarah and there is a son Johnson Taylor aged 8, so obviously named after Sarah's dad. Sarah is a widow and her mother Margaret is living with them.

Thank you so much.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jul 2018 22:00

Nicholas may well have been away at sea in 1851, too.

https://tinyurl.com/y7od8lnj

Minors in the Royal Navy

The Royal Navy actively employed children and minors within their ranks, and indeed joining the Royal Navy as a boy was an often an unwritten prerequisite for a path towards an officer commission. Positions for minors began with the generic term "ship's boy" which was open to young boys between the ages of eight to twelve, although there was no established cutoff and there are records of boys as old as 15 to 17 joining ships as boys.

Once a boy, further advancement could be obtained through various specialties. A cabin boy assisted with the ship's kitchen, as well as other duties, while a powder monkey helped in the ship's armory. One of the highest positions for a boy was that of "officer's servant". This position was usually reserved for "young gentlemen" who joined a ship between the ages of 12 and 15 and was seen as a preparatory to becoming a midshipmen.

Prior service as a ship's boy was recorded as sea-service; officers' servants could further credit their sea time towards the mandatory requirement for sea time in order to attempt the Lieutenants' Commission Board. After the Age of Sail ended, the position of ship's boy became an actual Royal Navy rank known as "Boy seaman".

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jul 2018 21:56

The "Agamemnon" was in the Mediterranean Fleet until November 1861, when she was sent to America in connection with the American Civil War.

https://www.naval-history.net/xGW-RNOrganisation1861.htm#42

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jul 2018 21:33

Re Nicholas 1841 -


Marriage ??

Nicholas Hodgson
mentioned in the record of Nicholas Hodgson and Sarah Taylor
Name Nicholas Hodgson
Birth Date 1842
Age 22
Spouse's Name Sarah Taylor
Spouse's Birth Date 1838
Spouse's Age 26
Event Date 28 Mar 1864
Event Place Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Father's Name Nicholas Hodgson
Spouse's Father's Name Johnson Taylor
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single



Nicholas Hodgson
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Nicholas Hodgson
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Hodgson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 335
Piece: 5001
Folio: 90
Page Number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicholas Hodgson 30 - butcher <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Hodgson 33
Sarah Ellen Hodgson 11 Months



Nicholas in 1861 ??

Nichla Hodgson
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Nichla Hodgson
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: 1839
Relation: Butcher
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Suda Bay Candia Island Mediterranean
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Butcher <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Royal Navy
Sub-registration district: Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel: Agamemnon
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 4433
Folio: 69
Page Number: 10

safc

safc Report 10 Jul 2018 20:37

hi
Burials Sunderland 1837 Nicholas Pickering Hodgson birth abt 1837 Green Street
Burials Sunderland 1837 John Hodgson birth abt 1837 Green Street

Baptisms Sunderland 1837 John Pickering Hodgson Green Street

all green street

you could buy some credits on this site

https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com

you can search the site for free but you need to buy credits to view

in norfolk street in 1841
sunny side is the street next to norfolk street

Burials Sunderland 1840 Mary Hodgson birth abt 1838 Sunniside

Marian

Marian Report 10 Jul 2018 19:34

thank you, Argyl, Alvie and safc, I don't know how you do it. It's a wonder you can find anyone with the various translations.

The children:

Nicholas Pickering Hodgson was buried 1837, this is definite. John Pickering Hodgson supposedly died 1840, Mary Pickering Hodgson supposedly dies 1838. These two are off Ancestry so can't be believed. William (born 1843 dies 1845, again off Ancestry. There is Nicholas baptised Oct 1841 but can't find 1851 and Richard White Hodgson born 1845 who is with Tamar 1851.

I think Tamar must have had a sad life, losing her children and then her husband. Surprised she didn't remarry.

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Jul 2018 18:27

This is the 1871 for that address. It is no 18.


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Water Works Road, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Appleby Head - Female 53 1818 - Durham, England
Transcription
Margaret A Appleby Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Durham, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jul 2018 18:26

Ancestry's transcription has Tamar as Lauras!

Looking closely as the image, it does say Hodgson when you know what it's supposed to be.
The D has a very short stem, making it look like an O, and the G has a very long tail, so that the G and S together look like a P.

safc

safc Report 10 Jul 2018 18:22

1861 Census
2 Records found


Piece: RG9/3767 Place: N Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Folio: 22 Page: 44 Schedule: 267
Address: 2 Waterworks Road

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HOSPON Tamar Head W F 48 Seamstress Co. Durham - Sunderland
HOPSON Richard White Son - M 15 Labourer Co. Durham - Sunderland


safc

safc Report 10 Jul 2018 18:18

????

james should read tamar


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Waterworks Road West Side, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Hooper Head Widow Female 48 1813 Seamstress Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Richard White Hooper Son - Male 15 1846 Labourer Sunderland, Durham, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Jul 2018 17:54

This is where that address comes from.


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991 Transcription
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First name(s) Tamar
Last name Hodgson
Gender Male
Marital status Unknown
Occupation -
Event year 1870
Birth year 1813
Age at death 57y
Death place England
Burial year 1870
Burial date 12 Apr 1870
Burial place Durham County
Cemetery Bishopwearmouth Parish
Street address 18 Water Works Road
Place Bishop-Wearmouth

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Jul 2018 17:33

Details of Nicholas who died in 1858 in India from looking at the image from British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

Nicholas died of chronic dysentry. He was a seaman on the ship 'Arethusa.' He was buried in the Military Burial Grounds of Fort William in Calcutta.


Where are his and Tamar's children in 1841? It is only the 2 of them in the census record?

Marian

Marian Report 10 Jul 2018 16:03

Thanks Argyll, and Maddie

I can imagine Nicholas dying of dysentry or maybe he was caught in the aftermath of the Indian mutiny, who knows.

I also don't know what to make of Charlotte's daughter's name although John Pickering is Tamar's brother but still doesn't explain why they would give Tamar's married name to their daughter.

Going back to the 1851 and 1861 census addresses posted by Mike, none of the sites I have access to allows the address to be put in. I seem to recall FMP let you search by address. Is this facility still available? If so, could either of you try it (if you have subs) - thank you.

It looks as though Richard White Hodgson eventually dies in the workhouse in Sunderland in 1913.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jul 2018 11:56

Just for the record - the death related to the tree info posted by MargaretM:

Nicholas Hodgson
in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
Name: Nicholas Hodgson
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Birth Date: 1816
Death Date: 21 Apr 1858
Burial Date: 22 Apr 1858
Burial Place: Fort William, Bengal, India
FHL Film Number: 498996


In 1841 Nicholas is a coachman. Maybe he moved on from that to engines, and maybe was in India in connection with railways ??

The 1850's were a time of great railway expansion in India, and Richard White was involved with railways..

http://www.victorianweb.org/technology/railways/india/introduction.html

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 Jul 2018 11:13

this is tamar jr birth --- not sure what to make of it, seems to be unrelated
TAMER HODGSON
Last name PICKERING
Birth year 1860
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Tongs ---------------
District Sunderland
County Durham
Country England
Volume 10A
Page 451
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England


First name(s) JOHN
Last name PICKERING
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1840
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ JOHN PICKERING married one of these people
Jane Sharp, Isabella Richardson, Susannah Ash, Charlotte Tongs
District Sunderland
District number -
County Durham
Country England
Volume 24
Volume as transcribed 24
Page number 285

1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Burleigh Street, Sunderland, Durham, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Pickering Head Married Male 42 1819 Shipwright Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Charlotte Pickering Wife Married Female 40 1821 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Mary Pickering Daughter - Female 19 1842 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Sarah Pickering Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
John Pickering Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Shipwright Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Richard Pickering Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Charlotte Pickering Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Roger Pickering Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Transcription
Tamar Pickering Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Sunderland, Durham, England -----------------------------

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jul 2018 21:52

Richard White, Esq, Thorney Lodge, Sunderland, was on the Provisional Committee for the Newcastle, Durham and Lancashire Junction Railway Company.

https://tinyurl.com/y92wky2h


His brother Andrew was first Mayor of Sunderland, and Richard was also Mayor in 1840.

https://northeastlore.com/category/sunderland/

Scroll down to the final article, headed "First Mayor of Sunderland". Richard is also mentioned.

Marian

Marian Report 9 Jul 2018 19:42

Thank you all, I wonder what Nicholas was doing in India. He maybe called his son after his employer, Richard White. I've only got family search and the search criteria for the census isn't very good, doesn't seem to work when I put a postal address in (unless I'm not very good and am missing something). I am going to google Richard White to see what it brings up.