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and additionally he avoids the 1841 census and dies in 1848 - how inconsiderate can you get ... ?

There lies the problem, EricaH, the first time he appears is on his wedding day !

Where was Charles born - and when?

Is he on a UK census?

Thank you EricaH so I can't prove the link to Charles Darby etc but it has been fun while it lasted!

So, your line is to Charles who married Hannah?

So you must have info about them...............

Civil marriage certs do not include DOB - merely the declared age at the time, and in early years, it was often just recorded as 'full' if they were over 21

Prior to 1837, the only names on the register were those of the bride, groom, witnesses and officiating minister

Hi EricaH, we got to this point bit by bit as this thread details. When I I originally started into my family research about 18 years ago familysearch took you into IGI, Parish Records back into the 16th century but those days are long gone!

My final request for info is the marriage of my G G Grandfather Charles Wells to Hannah Burton at St. Olave in York 5.3.1832. Does the record of this event include Charles date of birth and/or his fathers name, as is given from the start of BMD in 1837?

Many thanks,
Frances

How did you work back to this man?

Try looking for info on familysearch, which is free

Thank you Maddie, that looks very promising. Sorry to have been a while but my main task at present is in the garden, getting frazzled, while 'working'

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Richard
Last name Wells
Birth year -
Marital status Bachelor
Marriage licence year 1779
Marriage licence date 27 Sep 1779
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Walman
Bondsman Reuben Walman, Longstanton, yeoman
Parish Rampton
Place Either
Jurisdiction Ely Diocese
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Archive Cambridge University Library
Index book archive reference EDR L4/3
Bond or allegation archive reference EDR L4/9
Record set Cambridgeshire, Ely Diocese Marriage Licences 1684-1811
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Richard
Last name Wells
Year Of Birth 1756
Birth date ? ? 1756
Baptism year 1756
Baptism date 15 Mar 1756
Abode -
Place Haddenham
Mother's Given Name Anne
Father's First Name -
Father occupation -
Notes -
County Cambridgeshire
Record set Cambridgeshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Jane
Last name Wells
Birth year 1756
Death year 1817
Age 61
Burial year 1817
Burial date 23 Nov 1817
Residence of Castle End
Parish Cambridge, St Giles
County Cambridgeshire
Notes wife of Richard
Record set Cambridgeshire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain

Richard
Last name Wells
Birth year 1756
Death year 1822
Age 66
Burial year 1822
Burial date 09 Jan 1822
Residence of Castle End
Parish Cambridge, St Giles
County Cambridgeshire
Notes husband of Jane
Record set Cambridgeshire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials

reuben who was bondsman at marriage
Reuben
Last name Wallman
Birth year -
Death year 1800
Age -
Burial year 1800
Burial date 15 Jun 1800
Parish Longstanton, All Saints
County Cambridgeshire
Notes poor man
Record set Cambridgeshire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials

Jane
Last name Warman
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1756
Baptism date 12 Dec 1756
Place Longstanton
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Reuben
Father's last name Warman
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Jane
Last name Wallman
Birth year -
Death year 1797
Age -
Burial year 1797
Burial date 01 Mar 1797
Parish Longstanton, All Saints
County Cambridgeshire
Notes wife of Lubin
Record set Cambridgeshire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain

Going through all the posts repeatedly I have built a fairly clear understanding of the life and death of Charles Darby Wells but the question of his first wife Elizabeth's death has been lost. My first reaction was to check FreeBMD but of course BMD didn't start until 1837! Sometimes deaths get a mention in Parish Records, along with the Marriages and Baptisms ?

Thank you Kathleen and Sylvia. It seems that Charles D had a whole second family in Scotland, taking us to his death but my interest is in his first family in Kirkthorpe and his parents Richard and Jane, in Cambridge. Is there any more info on them visible please?

Frances

The obituary posted by safc ................

from FMP............

At Grove Street, Musselburgh, on the 9th inst., Charles D. Wells, sen., in his seventy-third year.
13 July 1858 - Dundee, Perth, and Cupar Advertiser - Dundee


That is all it says on the image.

Also published in the Caledonian Mercury - Edinburgh, Midlothian, 13 July 1858 .



73rd year = birth year 1785/1786

This looks as if it is the burial of the Charles Darby Wells who was born in 1780:-

Cambridgeshire Burials Transcription

First name(s) Charles
Last name Wells
Birth year -
Death year 1781
Age -
Burial year 1781
Burial date 15 Sep 1781
Parish Cambridge, St Giles
County Cambridgeshire
Notes son of Richd & Jane
Record set Cambridgeshire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain

Kath. x

Thank you all for your finds, I shall have to peruse them for some while to see if I can tie them down to just one individual.

Frances

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Charles D Wells
British Newspaper Archive, Family Notices
Name Charles D Wells
Titles and Terms Sen
Event Type Obituary
Event Date 13 Jul 1858
Event Place United Kingdom
Gender Male
Age 73
Citing this Record

"British Newspaper Archive, Family Notices," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLSQ-QYRT : 18 March 2018), Charles D Wells, United Kingdom; records extracted FamilySearch and images digitized by FindMyPast; citing United Kingdom, 13 Jul 1858, The British Newspaper Archive, Ireland; FHL microfilm .

Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original docucument there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
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County Northumberland
Place (with link) Morpeth
Church name (with link) St Mary the Virgin
Register type (with link) Transcript
Baptism date 5 Jan 1816
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Father forename Charles Darby
Mother forename Ann
Father surname WELLS
Person abode Morpeth
Father occupation Esqr.
Transcribed by Stephen Andrews
Credit Joan Rose
File line number 298

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Charles Darby Wells
mentioned in the record of Mary Ann Wells
Name Charles Darby Wells
gender Male
Wife Ann
Daughter Mary Ann Wells
Other information in the record of Mary Ann Wells
from England Births and Christenings
Name Mary Ann Wells
Gender Female
Christening Date 05 Jan 1816
Christening Date (Original) 05 JAN 1816
Christening Place Morpeth, Northumberland, England
Father's Name Charles Darby Wells
Mother's Name Ann

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Charles Derby Wells
mentioned in the record of William Charles Wells
Name Charles Derby Wells
gender Male
Wife Ann Paine
Son William Charles Wells
Other information in the record of William Charles Wells
from England Births and Christenings
Name William Charles Wells
Residence Place Cambridge, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 19 Apr 1829
Christening Date (Original) 19 Apr 1829
Christening Place Cambridge, Cambridge, England
Father's Name Charles Derby Wells
Mother's Name Ann Paine

Probate of the son William

William Wells Probate 1898 Pretoria, Transvaal, South Africa 68 1830 Scotland 18 Jun 1898 Pretoria
Unspecified Transvaal, South Africa Parent

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Name Charles Darby Wells
Spouse's Name Ann Anderson
Event Date 09 Jul 1813
Event Place Saint Cuthberts,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse's Father's Name Hary Anderson