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Hi People, this site has been really helpfull in the past so here goes with another search. I am looking for the children of David White and Annie (someboby). I know he had two off spring James S White, born about 1874 and Agnes L White born about 1878.
I have no idea about Davids wife so any help on that score would be great also.
I know in the 1881 census David lived in Fern bank Crouch Hill, Islington with his two children. Also in 1901 and 1911 he was still living in Islington with his then unmarried two children, but after this date who knows.Any help would be appreciated.
Roy

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Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
WHITE, AGNES SELBY BEATTIE Order
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 317

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WHITE, JAMES SELBY BEATTIE Order
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 373

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D. White
mentioned in the record of D. White and Anna Beattie
Name D. White
Spouse's Name Anna Beattie
Event Date 25 Oct 1871
Event Place Montrose,Angus,Scotland

Hi Safc, I am a little confused by your answer, although it was great getting it. Do you mean the following. Both Agnes and James han the same second name SELBy and their mothers maiden name was BEATTIE. I am presuming they were living in Islington inthe third quarter of 1877. I also presume by your answer that David married Anna Beattie in Montrose, Scotland on 25/10/1871.
Sorry about the questions but I am unfamilier about the way you presented them.

Roy

Hello Roy, Yes Safc has used the information from the GRO which now gives you mother's maiden names on the indexes for pre 1911 births.

The information Safc has shared fits with the 1891 census. I suspect 'Nicol' was later added to Agnes name:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fren Bank, Holly Park Outer Side, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

David White Head Married Male 45 1846 Scotland East India China Merchant
Annie White Wife Married Female 41 1850 Scotland -
James Selby White Son Single Male 17 1874 London, Middlesex, England Mercantile Clerk
Agnes Nicol White Daughter Single Female 13 1878 Islington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Bella Reid Servant Single Female 20 1871 Scotland Cook Domestic
Agnes Mitchell Servant Single Female 19 1872 Scotland Housemaid Domestic

Annie's death:

name(s) ANNIE CATENACH WHITE
Gender Female
Birth year 1849
Age 52
Death quarter 4
Death year 1901
District Islington
County London
Volume 1B Page 179
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Looks to be Anna's baptism:

First name(s) Anna Catanach
Last name Beattie
Gender Female
Birth year 1849
Baptism date 08 Jul 1849
Baptism place MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name Beattie
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name Nicol
Place Montrose
County Forfarshire (Angus)
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David died in 1916:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

David White of Fern Bank Holly Park Crouch Hill Middlesex died 25 January 1916 Administration London 20 April to James Selby White major HM Army. Effects £2628

Baptism for Agnes:

Name: Agnes Nicol White
Born May 25
Born at: 18 Roth?y Villa
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1877
Baptism Church: Crouch Hill Presbyterian Church
Baptism Place: Islington, Middlesex, England
Father: David White (Assurance clerk)
Mother: Anna C Beattie

Anna/ Annie in 1851:-

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12, Christies Lane, Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

David Beattie Head Married Male 34 1817 Blacksmith (Journeyman) Brechin, Forfarshire
Margaret Beattie Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
Agnes M Beattie Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus),
Ann C Beattie Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus),
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And 1861- Selby mistranscribed as Felby:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, Montrose, Montrose (Burgh), Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

James Felby Head Married Male 33 1828 Tailor & Clothier Employg 20 Men & 3 Boys Dun, Forfarshire (Angus)
Agnes Felby Wife Married Female 31 1830 Wife Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
Anna Cattnach Battie Niece Unmarried Female 12 1849 Scholar Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus),
Elizabeth Simpson Servant Unmarried Female 15 1846 Servant Kincardineshire,
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and 1871:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16, High Street, Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

James Selby Head Married Male 43 1828 Tailor & Clothier (Employing 36 Men 4 Boys 4 Females) Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Agnes Selby Wife Married Female 40 1831 - Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Anna C Beattie Niece Unmarried Female 21 1850 - Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus),
Elizabeth Bruck Servant Unmarried Female 17 1854 General Servant Dun, Forfarshire

James Selby White remained at Fernbank, Holly Park, Islington until at least 1920. He later died in Felixstowe in 1929. On the GWR registration of probate it has a note to say he was of Gilrivie, Foxgrove Lane, but died at Pinecliffs Nursing Home Felixstowe:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

WHITE James Selby of Gilrivie Foxgrove Lane Felixstowe Suffolk died 9 May 1929 Probate Ipswich 1 July to Agnes Nicol White spinster. Effects £7715

Agnes Nicol White never married. On the 1939 register she is living at 3 Foxgrove Lane Felixstowe:

1939 register:
Name: Agnes N White
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 25 May 1877
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 3 Foxgrove Lane
Residence Place: Felixstowe, Suffolk, England
Occupation: Private Means
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Agnes died in 1941:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

WHITE Agnes Nicol of Gilrivie Foxgrove Lane Felixstowe Suffolk spinster died 30 June 1941 at Kentdale Nursing Home Kent Terrace Kendal Westmorland Probate Llandudno 25 August to Ethel May Thompson (wife of Harry Page Thompson) and Walter Ward solicitor. Effects £12763

David and Annie's marriage announcement:

Brechin Advertiser 31 October 1871

MARRIAGES

at 15 1/2 High Street Montrose on the 25th instant by the Rev John Stevenson of Dun, David White Esq. merchant, London, to Annie, only surviving daughter of the late David Beattie, Arbroath.

Baptism for David:

Name: David White
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1845
Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1845
Baptism Place: Dun,Angus,Scotland
Father: Thomas White
Mother: Elisabeth Nicol
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David in 1851 (and where the name came from for Jame's House in Suffolk)

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Farm House of Gilrivie, Dun, Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Thomas White Head Married Male 33 1818 Farmer (Of 120 Acres 4 Labourers 2 Men 1 Woman & 1 Boy Craig, Forfarshire (Angus),
Elisabeth White Wife Married Female 34 1817 Farmer's Wife Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
David White Son - Male 5 1846 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
James White Son - Male 3 1848 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
William White Son - Male 1 1850 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
Jane Scott Servant Unmarried Female 21 1830 Kitchen Maid Fettercairn, Kincardineshire,
Mary Gavin Servant Unmarried Female 18 1833 Ag Lab Fettercairn, Kincardineshire,
Alexander Stewart Servant - Male 17 1834 Ag Lab Fordoun, Kincardineshire,
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David's family left Gilrivie Farm in 1860 (shown by ads in newpapers) Thomas changed his job. This is David's parents in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Davids Street, Brechin, Brechin Burgh, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Thomas Whyte Head Married Male 42 1819 Stone Mason Craig, Forfarshire (Angus),
Elizabeth Whyte Wife Married Female 43 1818 - Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
James Whyte Son - Male 13 1848 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Andrew Whyte Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Marriage for David's parents:

Marriage Transcription:
name(s) Thomas White
Marriage date 15 Dec 1843
Marriage place Dun,Angus,Scotland
Spouse's name(s) Elisabeth Nicol
Place Dun
County Forfarshire (Angus)
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Marriages 1561-1910

Gee thanks for all your help, I have just about got all the details of David and Annies family sorted out. Onr thing I am finding strange is that I have not been able to find where David was for the 1861 census, he would have only been 15 or so . Also do any of you know where I can find any information on Cemetaerys or gravesites in Islington so I can find out where any of this family are buried. Obviously since niether James or Agnes White got married that is the end of the line for David and Annie.

So now I go onto Davids Brother Andrew White, born 5/7/1852 in Dun, Forfarshire. Anyone keen to help a poor kiwi out???

Roy

To find cemeteries in Islington - google is the most obvious way to go


There is also this site:


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

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David White
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: David White
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: Dundee Second District
Civil Parish: Liff and Benvie
County: Angus
Address: 8 Isles Lane
Occupation: Calander Worker
ED: 32
Household schedule number: 10
LINE: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_41
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexr Forbes 30
Harriet Forbes 27
Mitildie Forbes 4
Cathrine Forbes 2
David White 15


Without spending credits on SP to look at the image, I can't tell if "Calander worker" is correct, or a mistranscription of something else.

Andrew in the army 1871 ?? 90th Light Infantry - - -


Andrew White
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew White
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Male
Where born: Forfar
Registration Number: 685/4
Registration district: St Giles
Civil Parish: Edinburgh High Church
County: Midlothian
Address: Edinburgh
Occupation: Private 90 L I
ED: Edinburgh Castle
Household schedule number: 1
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_164

(Plus a long list of other privates.)




EDIT: - -

But next post is more likely -

No, I think this is more likely to be him:



Andrew White
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew White
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dun, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 312
Registration district: Montrose
Civil Parish: Montrose
Town: Montrose
County: Angus
Address: No 60 Union St
Occupation: Lawyers Clerk (servant)
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 171
LINE: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_58
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Robertson 42
Mary Robertson 40
Andrew White 18