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Anyone here connected to the Ronnie Scott (Schatt) family? I am particularly interested in David Scott, who I believe was Ronnie's Uncle.

It's the typical "skeleton in the closet" from 1923/1924.

Does anyone have any connections to David Scott (Schatt).

Thanks

Look in search all member trees for connections

Unlikely that anyone using the boards will have any.

Thanks I did that but there are over 200 so was hoping someone might respond since Ronnie Scott was a well known musician.

Is this the family? (Ronnie's father Joseph and brother David ??)

Joseph Schatt
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Joseph Schatt
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Whitechapel
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 23 Bromhead Street, Commercial Road, Stepney E
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Registration District Number: 21
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town South Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 1588
Household Members:
Name Age
Morris Schatt 50
Rebecca Schatt 50
Annie Schatt 20
Hynon Schatt 16
David Schatt 14
Rose Schatt 12
Miriam Schatt 10
Joseph Schatt 8
Doris Schatt 6

Birth name Ronald Schatt
Born 28 January 1927
Aldgate, England

Died 23 December 1996 (aged 69)
Genres Jazz
Instruments Tenor saxophone

not seeing a birth marriage or death for a david schatt

Morris Shat
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Morris Shat
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Rebecca Shat
Birth Place: Rus Russian Subject
Civil Parish: Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 302
Folio: 103
Page Number: 60
Household schedule number: 350
Household Members:
Name Age
Morris Shat 38 - Russia
Rebecca Shat 38 - Russia
Phillip Shat 19 - Russia
Anna Shat 11 - Russia
Hyman Shat 7 - St Georges
David Shat 5 - Whitechapel
Rose Shat 2 - Whitechapel
Solomon Goldberg 45 - lodger, Russia

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SHOT, ROSE mms SHERMAN
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 299


Death:
SCHATT, ROSIE 19
GRO Reference: 1919 D Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 356


Rose Schatt
in the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR)
Name: Rose Schatt
Birth Date: abt 1899
Death Date: 22 Oct 1919
Age at Death: 20
Burial Plot: K-6
Burial Place: London, England, United Kingdom
Other Comments: Sections A-R
Cemetery: Edmonton Federation Cemetery
Cemetery Burials: 16294

wow you guys are amazing thank you so much!!!....I am pretty sure that is the David Scott I'm looking for....he would have been born on or about 1897 so age aligns as well...and the familly name was Schatt, changed to Scott...I have no solid proof but my grandmother born 1900 may have been in a relationship with David that caused her marriage to end in divorce in 1928 and a son born in 1924 that was not her husband's child....hence the divorce. Not sure I will ever be able to connect all the dots. AncestryDNA has tied me to a women with the last name Schatt and I've reached out to her but no response yet....

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SCHAT, HYMAN mms SCHEINNAN
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 363

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Miriam Schatt
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Miriam Schatt
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1927
Registration district: Stepney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Jack Levy
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 729



Mary Levy
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Mary Levy
[Miriam Levy]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 2 Jun 1901
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 86
Residence Place: Hackney, London, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 276
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: AIAZ
Registration district: 12/1
Inferred Spouse: Jack Levy
Household Members:
Name
Jack Levy
Mary Levy
Doris Schatt - 15/06/1908 - department stores saleslady

Do you have the divorce file? Sometimes the 'innocent' husband contrived to be found in a compromising position to enable his wife to divorce.

If you don't have it, it would be worth searching the national archives using her married surname.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/divorce/

The survival rate of divorce case files is:

1858-1927: almost 100%
1928-1937: 80%
After 1937: less than 0.2%

There's only one result mentioning Schatt or Scott, and that appears to be between a married couple.

Reference: J 77/2612/1184
Description:
Divorce Court File: 1184. Appellant: Sylvia Schatt otherwise Sylvia Scott. Respondent: Joseph Schatt otherwise Jock Scott. Type: Wife's petition for divorce [WD].

Date: 1928

That divorcing couple appear to be Ronnie's parents:

He was born Ronald Schatt in the east end of London, into a family of Russian Jewish descent on his father's side, and Portuguese antecedents on his mother's. His father, Joseph Schatt, was a dance band saxophonist who worked under the professional name of Jock Scott. He separated from his wife when Ronnie was a young child, and played little part in his son's upbringing, although their paths did cross again -- sometimes uneasily -- when Ronnie became a musician.
https://www.geni.com/people/Ronnie-Scott/6000000019325531066

David's partner's name given in another thread by Kelly, on Ancestry:

https://tinyurl.com/ybbf8ehv


Her divorce (1928) at National Archives site:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8051934

Yes I have the divorce details for Doris and Percival and that post under Ancestry is me, what I"m trying to get details on is David Scott and if anyone is related to him, if they are aware of a relationship between David and my grandmother Doris. At some point after her divorce she took the name Scott but there is no record of when, who or why. Interesting that my AncestryDNA matches me closely to a woman with the last name Schatt.

So does Doris & Percival's divorce paperwork not mention David?

Not that I can see from the link but I"m not really sure how to navigate on the link other than I see

J 77/2527/8673
Description:
Divorce Court File: 8673. Appellant: Percival Greenstreet. Respondent: Doris Greenstreet. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd].

You can't see details online.
You would have to order a copy, for a fee.
Click on the link I posted, then on "Request a copy" for details of how to go about it.

Other outline entries on the NA give the name of the co-respondent. If Scott or Schatt isn't in the title, he wouldn't have been served 'papers'.
It might be possible that he was mentioned in the court proceedings as an example of their incompatibility.

In case it is related:

School admissions record gives birth date of David:

Name: David Schott
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1897<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Admission Date: 24 Aug 1903
School: Chicksand Street School
Father: Morris Schott
Notes: Chicksand Street School (0441) opened in 1875. Closed in 1924
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This is the same David on the 1939 register- listed as married but no wife with him:

Name: David Scott
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1897
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: 30 Cedars Avenue Wanstead and Woodford, Essex,
Occupation: Musician
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