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If Jonathan is with William and Ann on the 1841 then surely the other Jonathan is not mine??? But then why would he put Joseph on his marriage cert as his Dad.

I wonder could he be William born 1807 (the one I thought was his brother) son and Joseph (dad) just excepted him as his son.

Jonathans first childs name was Phoebe I can't find any other phoebes in my family so why did he chose this name?

So many questions and unfortunately I do not think I will ever get to the bottom of this one.

Jane

Hi Mary. rootgatherer and Malyon.

Thank you so much for trying to solve this problem. I am also thinking that Jonathans dads name could be wrong. Maybe as he was living with Joseph and Martha he assumed his dads name was Joseph. We do not know when he started living with them or why he was living with them. One one of the census he said he came from gildersom but I could not find him on those parish records.

I found a Joseph and Martha With parents called Joseph and Ann ? Ann Holmes but there was also a William with parents Joseph and Ann born Halifax 1807. Joseph and Ann Holmes married in 1813 in Howarth lincs. I did see a Joseph and Ann robinson could they be Williams Parents. Unfortunately I cannot find anything about these two.

Also there is quite a big age gap between William , Martha, Jonathan and Joseph which again makes me think they are not all related. My guess is Joseph and Martha are related but the other two are not.

As for that baptism I was thinking it could be him.

As for the Anderson family I could have sworn I had seen somethink that said Josephs dad was Joseph. As this seems not to be the case then I am having to start again.

Thank you so much for helping me,

Jane

1841 Wortley leeds
William Rushworth 45
Ann 40
Hannah 19
Jonathon 17
Sarah 15
All born in county.

Is this the Jonathon 1823 baptism record on above posting?

Maryb.

Wondering if Jonathon got his father's name wrong if his dad die when he was young? Let's see if we can find a Joseph and Martha with the same parents.


Remember ages were rounded down in 1841

First name(s) Jonathan
Last name Rushworth
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1823
Baptism date 07 Sep 1823
Place Wortley by Leeds
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Rushworth
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Eliza Anderson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eliza Anderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 30 Nov 1817
Christening Date (Original): 30 NOV 1817
Christening Place: SAINT PETER,LEEDS,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Anderson
Mother's Name: Martha

the 1851 census has a daughter called martha could she be named after eliza's mother

Thanks again for all your help.

This means that I have now eliminated 2 Joseph Rushworths. This one and Joseph who married Eliza Eastwood. Her father was William Rushworth.

Maybe one day I will get to the bottom of this tree.

Thanks

jane

Oh! Pity about that. I'll post this anyway in case it helps someone else!

Record Transcription:
England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) George
Last name Anderson
Name note -
Marriage year 1811
Marriage date 03 Sep 1811
Marriage place Leeds
Spouse's first name(s) Martha
Spouse's last name Newton
County Yorkshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

If Joseph is with Eliza on the 1841 then it can't be the same Joseph on the other 1841 with Jonathan and Martha. So this Joseph and Eliza are probably not mine.

This family tree business can be so complicated. Thank you for helping me.

All the best

Jane

Yip! A lot of Rushworths in that area.

Here's the baptism of your Eliza


Transcription:
England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
What can I do with this record?
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First name(s) Eliza
Last name Anderson
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 30 Nov 1817
Place Leeds
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Anderson
Mother's first name(s) Martha
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

rotgatherer

Its that 1841 census that is causing all the trouble. I am not convinced that Joseph, Martha and Jonathan are brothers and sister. Jonathan is my family. He was born in Leeds about 1826. I can't find a baptism for him to confirm who dad and Mum are.

There is another possible child called William b 1807 all of which have parents call Joseph and Ann Rushworth. On Jonathan's marriage cert it states his dad as Joseph. Joseph signed the cert. The marriage was in 1850. He married Elizabeth fawbert.

If William is Joseph and Ann's child then he was possible born out of wedlock as Joseph and Ann Holmes married in 1813 in Howarth, yrkshire. That is if this is the correct Joseph and ann. See my problem.

All the best

Jane

Forget that census Jane. Too many Joseph Rushworths lol!

Here they are together in 1841 with Eliza's Mum?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Boynton Street, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Martha Anderson Female 45 1796 Yorkshire, England
Jacob Crowther Male 15 1826 Yorkshire, England
Joseph Rushworth Male 25 1816 Yorkshire, England
Eliza Rushworth Female 20 1821 Yorkshire, England

Ah that causes a problem as I have his father as Joseph.!! This Rushworth family are causing me a lot of trouble. Maybe one day I will get to the bottom of it.

Thanks Margaret and rootgather for helping me. Looks like I am going to have to start again.

all the best

Jane

This looks like Joseph in 1841 (same occupation as 1851) but no Eliza with him.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
York Street, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Rushworth Male 20 1821 Yorkshire, England
Martha Rushworth Female 25 1816 Yorkshire, England
Jonathan Rushworth Male 15 1826 Yorkshire, England

Thank you so much for that information Margaret M. That sorts that problem out.

All the best

Jane

Eliza Anderson
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Name:
Eliza Anderson
Marriage Age:
Full Age
Marriage Date:
28 Dec 1840
Marriage Place:
Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears:
Leeds, St Peter
Father:
George Anderson
Spouse:
Joseph Rushworth

He's a clothdresser as is his father James Rushworth. Her father a brushmaker.
Witnesses William Kenyon & Mary Smith.

I have Eliza birth cert born 09/05/1850 at 12 Boynton Street Leeds. It says mothers maiden name is Anderson.

Thank you MargaretM and rootgatherer for helping me.

Yes the first Joseph died in 1845 in Leeds

Jane

Yes Margaret, Jane had posted the two Josephs.

I'm still not seeing the marriage of Joseph and Eliza.

Did first son Joseph die and this one given same name?

1851 census:

Joseph Rushworth 32
Eliza Rushworth 33
Martha Rushworth 9
Joseph Rushworth 5
Eliza Rushworth 10 Mo

For ref.

1851 EnglandWales & Scotland Census
12, Boynton Street, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding)

Joseph Rushworth Head Married Male 32 1819 Cloth Dresser Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Eliza Rushworth Wife Married Female 33 1818 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Martha Rushworth Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Joseph Rushworth Son - Male 5 1846 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Eliza Rushworth Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England


Martha's birth (from the GRO index) shows her name as Martha and no middle name.