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My Great Aunt Alice was 33 when she, and William, came over to Canada in June 1911 on the ship ‘Royal George’ and she was never heard of again (by me anyway :-D). My question is what happened to her?? Actually I just fibbed I do know they were living in Toronto in 1921 and again in 1947. Did they have children, when did they die?
Facts:
Alice Ball born 1877 Exeter
William Edwin Brown born 1877 Exeter
Alice married William – Dec 1898 in Exeter, Devon

Still in Exeter in 1901:

Name: William E Brown
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Exeter, Devonshire, England
County: Devonshire
Civil Parish: Exeter
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Sidwell
Sub-District: Exeter
Registration District: Exeter
Residence Note:
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Occupation: STEAM ENGINE FITTER
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1877
Birthplace: Exeter, Devonshire
Schedule Type: 32
Page Number: 3


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William E Brown Head M 24 Exeter, Devonshire
Alice Brown Wife F 24 Exeter, Devonshire



Rose

Not seeing any births in that area with MMN Ball.

Rose

I didn't find a birth either but is what the census says.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Baker Mary Louise Exeter 5b 136 S
Ball Alice Exeter 5b 136
Brown William Edwin Exeter 5b 136
Porter Charles Exeter 5b 136

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Is this them in 1911 ?

Married 12 years No children born alive

1911 Census For England & Wales
99 Portland Street Exeter, Exeter, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Edwin Brown Head Married Male 36 1875 Ironmonger's Smith Devon Exeter St Johns
Alice Brown Wife Married Female 33 1878 - Devon Exeter St Davids
Ethel Bartlett Niece Single Female 15 1896 Upholsteress Devon Exeter St Davids

Niece Ethel from the 1911 with parents 1901 - mmn Ball, so would look as though 1911 correct for William and Alice

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Cemetery Place, Exeter, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bartlett Head Married Male 27 1874 Maltsters Labourer Exeter, Devon, England
Eliza Bartlett Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Exeter, Devon, England
Ethel Bartlett Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Exeter, Devon, England
Gertrude Bartlett Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Exeter, Devon, England

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
BARTLETT, ETHEL BESSIE BALL Order
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 85

BARTLETT, GERTRUDE MARY BALL Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 81 Order

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
Ball Eliza Exeter 5b 140 <<<<<<<<<<
Bartlett William Thomas Exeter 5b 140 <<<<<<<<
Hart William Phillips Exeter 5b 140
Kindersley Katharine Mary Exeter 5b 140

Alice and Eliza together in 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
9, Chapples Court, Exeter St David, Exeter, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Ball Head Married Male 46 1835 Slater & Plasterer Exeter, Devon, England
Sarah Ball Wife Married Female 42 1839 - Crediton, Devon, England
Joseph John Ball Son Single Male 19 1862 Slater & Plasterer Exeter, Devon, England
Ellen Ball Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Scholar Exeter, Devon, England
Harriet Ball Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Exeter, Devon, England
Eliza Ball Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Exeter, Devon, England
Bessy Ball Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Exeter, Devon, England
James Ball Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Exeter, Devon, England
Alice Ball Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Exeter, Devon, England

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
BALL, ALICE WOODLAND Order
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 112 Order

BALL, ELIZA WOODLAND Order
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 107 Order

Looks like William was actually born early 1875 so age a couple of years out on the 1901 census

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
BROWN, WILLIAM EDWIN SALTER Order
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 101 Order

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Do you have this?

Devon Marriages

First name(s) William Edwin
Last name Brown
Age 23
Birth year 1875
Marriage year 1898
Marriage date 31 Dec 1898
Place Exeter, St David
Residence 20 Exe ST
Father's first name William Edwin
Father's last name Brown
Spouse's first name(s) Alice
Spouse's last name Ball
Spouse age 22
Spouse's residence 6 Napier Terrace
Spouse's father's first name(s) John William
Spouse's father's last name Ball
County Devon
Denomination Anglican
Country England
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 2931A/PR/1/22
Record set Devon Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

Not seeing them on travel records or the Canadian census,s

This seems to be Alice traveling to Canada but she's alone and going to join husband:


Alice Brown
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name:
Alice Brown
Gender:
Female Arrival Age:
34

Birth Year:
abt 1877
Departure Port:
Bristol, England
Arrival date:
21 Jun 1911
Arrival Port:
Quebec, Canada
Vessel:
Royal George

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Search for the Royal George in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

William Brown

in the 1921 Census of Canada

Name: William Brown
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Brown
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1900
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Toronto North
District Number: 132
Sub-District: Ward 5
Sub-District Number: 52
City, Town or Village: Toronto North (ward 5)
Street or Township: 1025 Shaw St
Municipality: Ward 5
Occupation: Orange Fitter
Income: 700
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brown 46
Alice Brown 44

Name: William Edwin Brown
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birth Place: Exeter, England
Age: 45
Date of Arrival: Nov 1920
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Scandanavian

Name: Alice Brown
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Birth Place: Exeter, England
Age: 43
Date of Arrival: Nov 1920
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Scandinavia
reason for coming to canada - returning home

Will I'm sleeping and doing over things you all are working hard :-D THANK YOU.

What exactly is a orange fitter? What do you fit on a orange? :-)

Although it ends in ge, I don't think its an 'Orange' Fitter. The handwriting is awful; you can't even make out the industry!

It looks like 'Garage fitter' to me ?

Dea x

NOW I have it !!!

It is neither an Orange fitter or indeed a Garage fitter but a BRONZE fitter !"!!!

You may note that the enumerator has added a code for the occupation on the census page and this is '61-96'. When consulting the list of codes for the 1921 census you come up with:

1921 Census Occupational Codes
Division
Class
Code
Professions

Manufacturing
Non-Ferrous Metal Industries - Brass and Copper Manufacturing
61-77
Solderers

Manufacturing
Non-Ferrous Metal Industries - Brass and Copper Manufacturing
61-79
Tinsmiths and coppersmiths apprentices

Manufacturing
Non-Ferrous Metal Industries - Brass and Copper Manufacturing
61-80
Winders, reelers and spoolers

Manufacturing
Non-Ferrous Metal Industries - Brass and Copper Manufacturing
61-96
Semi-skilled operatives (not elsewhere
classified) *********

Manufacturing
Non-Ferrous Metal Industries - Brass and Copper Manufacturing
61-99
Labourers

Armed with this info, I now believe that the first word of his occupation is 'bronze' which is a metal alloy consisting primarily of copper.

Dea x

Also, I think the type of work column no.31 part 'could' say 'Ornamental work' - the word 'work being written above the 'ornamental' bit.

I had at first thought that there was a b or a t in the middle of the first word but if you look closely the long stroke we can see is actually a part of the enumerators initials written on top of it.

Dea x

Just to mention - it is posted above that Alice travelled to Canada on her own in 1911 - I presume that you are now aware that she actually travelled over accompanied by her niece Ethel Bessie Bartlett who was with them on 1911 census.

Dea x

Since Wm E gave his occupation as "whitesmith" when he came/went to Canada.....

Well done,Dea!!!

Moxx

Hi Mo, (XXXxxx - lovely to see you again!!).

It does appear to be the same person and I am sure that's what the writing says.

Hope it is of help to the poster - we will see when they return.

Dea x

Orange fitter to garage fitter to Bronze fitter boy that is great work Dea, and no I did not realize Ethel travel over here with Alice.

Two Gold Stars :-D