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Looking for a (James Dean) B abt 1855 Kenstone Byker Northumberland.

aged 26 in 1881C Occ: Railway Worker....says Border.

Living with Wlliam Dean B 1850 Ireland. living Shipley St, Newcastle Upon Tyne.

Also wife Ann B abt 1857 Wooler Northumberland.

Also, dau. Ellen B 1880 Newcastle Upon Tyne.

Cannot find James Dean B abt 1855 Northumberland on Free BMD or GRO Index.Births.

At this stage may well be William's brother.....

Can someone find him in previous Census & after 1881C may be of some help
as to his whereabouts.... :-)

Well his birth may not have been registered

His marriage cert to ann may give his fathers name

DEAN, ELLEN ALLAN
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE ON TYNE Volume 10B Page 127

Not seeing a dean / Allen marriage tho

Ahh james is single and a boarder on the 1881 census

Ann and Ellen are the wife and child of William Dean


James Dean
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Kenstone
Civil Parish: Byker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 209 Shipley St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Railway Worker
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5068
Folio: 92
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm. Dean 31
Ann Dean 24
Ellen Dean
James Dean 26 single

Marriages Dec 1879 (>99%)
ALLAN Annie Berwick 10b 527
DEAN WILLIAM Berwick 10b 527

Kenstone is in Shropshire, near Market Drayton

No mention on census of 'Byker' under birthplace info for James

ErikaH

thanks for replying....i would have not known about (Kenstone) in Shropshire

but i was wondering its probably been mis-spelt not readable perhaps back then

transcribed incorrectly...do you think it could have been 'Falstone' perhaps as i checked out the parishes.........thats the only one thats similar..

James Dean
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975





Name: James Dean
Residence Place: Padiham, Lancashire, England
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 Nov 1856
Christening Date (Original): 09 Nov 1856
Christening Place: PADIHAM, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Birthplace: ENGLAND
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1856
Father's Name: James Dean
Mother's Name: Sarah

1891 says William was born in Wooler, Northumberland - not Ireland.
so James's birthplace may also be wrong in 1881 census.


William Dean
in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Dean
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1850
Spouse: Ann Dean
Child: Ellen Dean
James Dean
William Dean
Andrew Dean
Mather Dean
Birth Place: Wooler, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Residence Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, Institution or Vessel: 40
Neighbors:
Piece: 4182
Folio: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dean 41
Ann Dean 34
Ellen Dean 10
James Dean 8
William Dean 5
Andrew Dean 2
Mather Dean 5/12

malyon

sorry wrong james dean they all came from around durham northumberland way.

thanks for your help!

ArgyllGran

Thanks for your help...looks like no sign of james B1855 newcastle way

However, I can't see the birth of either William or James anywhere in Northumberland 1845-1860

In particular, Wooler was in Glendale reg district, and no Deans of any first name were registered there 1845-60.

Could Dean be the name of a step-father?

Re your suggestion of a wrong transcription of Kenstone -

it's quite clearly Kenstone on the image.

EDIT:

there's a place called Kentstone, near Haggerston, about 5 miles south of Berwick-upon-Tweed.

I would think that the 1881 census info about William's birthplace is more likely to be accurate than that in 1891

Of course, if you get a copy of his marriage cert, you'll find out his father's name - if he knew him.

Kentstone was in Belford reg district - but no Dean births there either.


Kentstone (even mis-spelled) seems too specific to be a mistake - though anything's possible.
Maybe James wasn't a Dean - maybe the enumerator just dittoed the surname in haste.

All conjecture!
As Erika says, best to get William's marriage cert. Then at least you might be able to work out if he had a brother James or not.

ArgyllGran

I have no idea if 'Dean' is the name of a step-father have no reason
to believe that .....
I am not a direct descendant of the 'Dean Family' but a cousin of mine who is
seems to believe 'William' was born in Ireland.
I did find on FS that William's wife, Ann Allan's Parents were Irish..

Please excuse my ignorance, when it comes to the North of England and Parishes etc
as i am not familiar only with the south east.

That place you mentioned 'Kentstone' ear Haggerston, about 5 miles south of Berwick-upon-Tweed. could well be James Dean birth place.

William & Ann married dec qtr 1879 'Berwick'

Are those 2 places one and the same or close by...

Do you know if FMP have BMD for those areas mentioned.

Once again thanks for all your help !
:-)

ErikaH

Thanks for replying...

I agree with you in that 1881C more likely to be accurate than 1891
William B Ireland !

Looks like a MC will have to order for sure now...perhaps some
more info on there will answers a few queries!

FMP have all England/Wales BMD

BUT..............no penalties until 1875 for not registering births, which meant that a lot simply weren't registered

This MAY be James - although subsequent records I've found cast doubt on it, in view of his age, birthplace and occupation at the time.

The cert would include his occupation when he married

First name(s) James
Last name Dean
Name note -
Marriage year 1875
Marriage date 16 Feb 1875
Marriage place Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Dean
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
Spouse's last name McGlude
Spouse's age 0
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Mcglude
Residence Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
County Northumberland

A child of the above marriage

DEAN, MARGARET (MMN) MCGLADE
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE ON TYNE Volume 10B Page 99

McGlude on the parish marriage record is a mistranscription. The civil record has her name as McGlade