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http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/312663
NU0341 : Kentstone Farm
Subject Location NU 0375 4121 [10m precision]

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3502797
NT9953 : St Andrew's Church of Scotland, Berwick upon Tweed
Subject Location NT 9996 5317 [10m precision]

So Kentstone is 12 (=53-41) km S of Berwick, and a bit to E. The church is almost exactly on the NY/NU boundary (which is 40 m to E of church)


You can look up OS grid references like NU 0375 4121 at:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
You will have to zoom out to zoom level 4 to get the inset topographical map as it enters with a zoom level 2 street map.
You can also look up NU0341, but note the arrow head will be put at NU 03500 41500 i.e., the centre of the 1km square.
Similarly, a lookup of NU 0375 4121 will put the arrowhead at NU 03755 41215 i.e., the centre of the 10 m square of imprecision.

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It's worth notingthat if you go back much, there's an oddity abt Berwick - until 20/10/1844 Berwick was in County Durham, not Northumberland.
This applies to all of Berwick RD, including Kentstone which was in Kyloe parish in the Islandshire subdistrict of Berwick RD.
The northernmost coastal parish in Belford RD (i.e., Belford) was also in this big detached bit of Co Durham, as were a few other detached bits scattered around Northumberland.
This can cause some apparently paradoxical birthplace results in 1841 census if you're not aware if it.

ErikaH

sorry didn't reply sooner i'm in sth aust and was getting late in the night.

Just want to say a very big thankyou for all your research on my request

you have given me much to go on to continue my search now.............

:-)

Another wild stab at a possibility for James of Kentstone:

James Deans
in the 1881 England Census
Name: James Deans
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Gender: Male
Where born: Berwick On Tweed, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Warrior"
Occupation: Corporal R M A
Registration district: Weymouth
ED, institution, or vessel: Warrior
Neighbors:
Piece: 2108
Folio: 72
Page Number: -7

He's single.

Just for the record, this is the Dean/McGlade family in 1881 - without James:

Margaret Dene
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Margaret Dene
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Newcastle on Tyne All Sts
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 4 Granville Ter
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourers Wife
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 5064
Folio: 113
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Dene 29
Mary Ann Dene 11
Margaret Dene 4
Jane Dene 1

I wondered about that Dean/McGlade family too, Erika.

But James of Kentstone was single in 1891, whereas the James who married Margaret was with his family in Newcastle in 1891..

Name: James Dean
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Dean
Mother's name: Maryetine Dean
Gender: Male
Where born: Mell Entry Newcastle
Civil Parish: Newcastle upon Tyne All Saints
Town: Newcastle upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 2407
Folio: 342
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dean 28
Maryetine Dean 34
John Dean 12
Lancelot Dean 7
James Dean 1

Name: James Dean
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: 1849
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Dean
Mother's name: Mary Dean
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Civil Parish: All Saints
Town: Newcastle
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 22c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 150
Piece: 3830
Folio: 29
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dean 48
Mary Dean 45
James Dean 12
John Dean 9
Mathew Dean 7
Isebblla Dean 4
John Gardner 55

Name: Margaret McGlade
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John McGlade
Mother's name: Margaret McGlade
Gender: Female
Where born: Walker, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Walker
Ecclesiastical parish: Walker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 3844
Folio: 40
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
John McGlade 45
Margaret McGlade 30
John McGlade 14
Margaret McGlade 8
James McGlade 3
Hugh McGlade 1
Patrick Dailey 25
James Rafferty 24

Name: Margaret Dean
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1877
Baptism Place: St Anne's, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father: James Dean
Mother: Margaret
FHL Film Number: 1468836

DEAN, ANN ISABELLA MCGLADE
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE ON TYNE Volume 10B Page 120
DEAN, JANE MCGLADE
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE ON TYNE Volume 10B Page 103

DEAN, EDWARD MCGLADE Order
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE ON TYNE Volume 10B Page 114
DEAN, CATHERINE MCGLADE Order
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 95
DEAN, ANN ISABELLA MCGLADE Order
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE ON TYNE Volume 10B Page 120
DEAN, JAMES MCGLADE Order
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 118

A child of the above marriage

DEAN, MARGARET (MMN) MCGLADE
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE ON TYNE Volume 10B Page 99

McGlude on the parish marriage record is a mistranscription. The civil record has her name as McGlade

This MAY be James - although subsequent records I've found cast doubt on it, in view of his age, birthplace and occupation at the time.

The cert would include his occupation when he married

First name(s) James
Last name Dean
Name note -
Marriage year 1875
Marriage date 16 Feb 1875
Marriage place Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Dean
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
Spouse's last name McGlude
Spouse's age 0
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Mcglude
Residence Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
County Northumberland

FMP have all England/Wales BMD

BUT..............no penalties until 1875 for not registering births, which meant that a lot simply weren't registered

ErikaH

Thanks for replying...

I agree with you in that 1881C more likely to be accurate than 1891
William B Ireland !

Looks like a MC will have to order for sure now...perhaps some
more info on there will answers a few queries!

ArgyllGran

I have no idea if 'Dean' is the name of a step-father have no reason
to believe that .....
I am not a direct descendant of the 'Dean Family' but a cousin of mine who is
seems to believe 'William' was born in Ireland.
I did find on FS that William's wife, Ann Allan's Parents were Irish..

Please excuse my ignorance, when it comes to the North of England and Parishes etc
as i am not familiar only with the south east.

That place you mentioned 'Kentstone' ear Haggerston, about 5 miles south of Berwick-upon-Tweed. could well be James Dean birth place.

William & Ann married dec qtr 1879 'Berwick'

Are those 2 places one and the same or close by...

Do you know if FMP have BMD for those areas mentioned.

Once again thanks for all your help !
:-)

Kentstone was in Belford reg district - but no Dean births there either.


Kentstone (even mis-spelled) seems too specific to be a mistake - though anything's possible.
Maybe James wasn't a Dean - maybe the enumerator just dittoed the surname in haste.

All conjecture!
As Erika says, best to get William's marriage cert. Then at least you might be able to work out if he had a brother James or not.

I would think that the 1881 census info about William's birthplace is more likely to be accurate than that in 1891

Of course, if you get a copy of his marriage cert, you'll find out his father's name - if he knew him.

Re your suggestion of a wrong transcription of Kenstone -

it's quite clearly Kenstone on the image.

EDIT:

there's a place called Kentstone, near Haggerston, about 5 miles south of Berwick-upon-Tweed.

However, I can't see the birth of either William or James anywhere in Northumberland 1845-1860

In particular, Wooler was in Glendale reg district, and no Deans of any first name were registered there 1845-60.

Could Dean be the name of a step-father?