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Frustrated.... Looking for the elusive Lottie.... Born Stepney c. 1885.On the 1901 Census aged 16 .mother Susannah Humphreys nee Reeve, Susannah Reeve married Benjamin James Humphreys in 1887, so maybe not Lottie's father... Lottie has a child with Walter Joseph Patten called Emma Gertrude Patten b. 1909 d. 2017 aged 108...cant find a marriage for Lottie and Walter.... Although on 1911 census Lottie states her surname as Patten... Walter A Patten does marry a Mary A Reeve and had a daughter Margaret b. 1919, (she died 24 hours after Emma Gertrude Patten,) but on Emma's death certificate it states Mary Ann Reeve b. 1884 as her aunt!!!! On Emma Gertrude birth certificate Lottie gives her surname as Reeve(s )...Can anyone find Lottie on previous census, 1939census please ..Many thanks

1891 for mother

Name: James B Humphreys
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1865
Spouse: Susannah Humphreys
Child: James W Humphreys
Birth Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil Parish: Whitechapel St Mary
Residence Place: London, Whitechapel St Mary, London, England
Sub registration district: Aldgate
ED, Institution or Vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 283
Folio: 68
Household Members:
Name Age
James B Humphreys 26
Susannah Humphreys 23
James W Humphreys 13

Name: Emma Gertrude Patten
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 7 Dec
Baptism Date: 6 Jan 1909
Baptism Place: St Anthony, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Walter Joseph Patten
Mother: Charlotte Patten


1939
Patten Household (4 People)
22 Montreal Buildings , Poplar, London, England


Gertrude (E) Patten 07 Dec 1908 Female Presser Avistors Coats Single 171 2
Mary A Patten 13 Apr 1884 Female Housekeeper Divorced 171 1
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1939:
Patten Household (4 People) 22 Montreal Buildings , Poplar, London, England
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Gertrude (E) Patten 07 Dec 1908 Presser Avistors Coats
Mary A Patten 13 Apr 1884 Housekeeper - marital status says 'D' -- ???divorced ??
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PATTEN, EMMA GERTRUDE REEVES Order
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 375

In 1911, 'Lottie' claims to have been married for 9 years, and has had two children, of whom one has died.

In above reply... 1891 census.. James B Humpheys is 26, and James W Humphreys is 13,???? Susannah 23 ??? :-S

The boy is 3 years old.

HUMPHREYS, JAMES WALTER FRANCIS REEVE
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 374

That's more like it... Lol

James Walter Francis Humphreys
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name:
James Walter Francis Humphreys
Gender:
Male
Record Type:
Baptism
Baptism Date:
18 Feb 1894
Baptism Place:
Christ Church, Jamaica Street, Tower Hamlets, England
Father:
Benjamin James Humphreys
Mother:
Susanna Elizabeth Humphreys

Born 12 Dec. 1887, 128 Russell Street, father a carman.

Is there anymore info on Lottie please....?

Can anyone find a birth for Lottie.... Certificate number r where she is in 1891 census please x many thanks

Posting the 1901 you mention, for our reference:

Lottie Humphreys
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Lottie Humphreys
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: James Humphreys
Mother: Susannah Humphreys
Birth Place: Stepney, London, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Dunstan Stepney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End, Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 333
Folio: 128
Page Number: 7
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
James Humphreys 40
Susannah Humphreys 33
Lottie Humphreys 16
James Humphreys 14
Ethel Humphreys 6
Willoughby Humphreys 2

Ancestry suggests this is Lottie's birth:

Lottie Gertrude Reeve
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lottie Gertrude Reeve
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 814


EDIT:

No, that's not her:

Lottie Gertrude Reeve
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Lottie Gertrude Reeve
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Oct 1886
Baptism Place: Camberwell St Giles, Southwark, England
Father: Charles James Reeve
Mother: Elizabeth Reeve

???

Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
REEVES Charlotte Emily Bethnal Green 1c 216

I'm not necessarily suggesting this is her birth, but I can't find this on the GRO website to check mms.

Both 1901 and 1911 say Lottie was born in Stepney.

None of the Charlottes or Lotties born in Stepney 3rd qr 1884 - 3rd qr 1886 has mms Reeve(s)

Births Dec 1864 (>99%)
HUMPHREYS Benjamin James Mile End 1c 512

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)

HUMPHREYS Benjamin James Bethnal Green 1c 326 Scan available - click to view
REEVE Susannah Bethnal Green 1c 326Susannah Bethnal Green 1c 326

????


Mitchel M Pariser
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name Mitchel M Pariser
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County London
Parish Bow Or Stratford Le Bow
Ecclesiastical Parish ST PAULS
Registration District Poplar
Residence Note Usher Road
Gender Male
Age 39
Marital Status Widower
Occupation Coach Painter
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1852
Birthplace London, England
Page Number 36
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 316/ 47
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
Mitchel M Pariser Head M 39 London, England
Eleanor E Pariser Daughter F 21 London, England
Arthur N Pariser Son M 18 London, England
Lilly C Pariser Daughter F 15 London, England
Alfred W Pariser Son M 11 Bow, London, England
George Reeve Brother In Law M 44 London, England
Annie M Reeve Sister In Law F 40 London, England
Albert F Reeve Nephew M 13 Bow, London, England
Charlotte M Reeve Niece F 6 London, England ??????????????
William Reeve Boarder M 75 Suffolk, England
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1891," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QHWL-KT2 : 10 December 2017), Mitchel M Pariser, Bow Or Stratford Le Bow, London, England; from "1891 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 12, London county, subdistrict, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

Could Mary Ann be Lottie

baptised at St James The Great Middlesex

Mary Ann Reeve born 13/4/1884 (same date as Mary a
Ann Patten) baptised 4/5/1884 by Susanna Reeve a servant of 46,West Street.

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