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Eliza O'Gorman

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Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 12 Oct 2018 01:18

Does anyone know how I could find the above persons parents, all I know is she was born on 28th Aug 1924 , I believe in the New Ross area. Which is between Waterford and Wexford in Ireland

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Oct 2018 08:26

?????

First name(s) Eliza
Last name O'Gorman
Registration year 1924
Registered quarter/year Oct - Dec 1924
Registration district Enniscorthy
Volume 4
Page 389

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Oct 2018 08:31

How did you work back to her please? Did she marry? If so, her marriage certificate will name her father if known.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 12 Oct 2018 14:07

yes she was married in 1957 in Cheshire. According to passed on family info she came from Ireland as a teenager after her parents deaths, and joined the land army. Don't know exact year but have to guess about 1940 ish

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 14:25

What was the name and occupation of her father on the marriage cert?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 14:26


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/womens-land-army/

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Oct 2018 14:26

Please tell us all info from the marriage cert - do you have it?
If so, does it not name her father?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 14:43

Was she also known as Elizabeth?

Name: Elizabeth Stockton
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1924<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Jul 2002
Registration district: Chester and ellesmere Port
Inferred County: Cheshire
Register Number: C52
District and Subdistrict: 3401C


Marriages Mar 1957
O'GORMAN Eliza STOCKTON W.Cheshire 10a 1667
STOCKTON Kenneth H O'GORMAN W.Cheshire 10a 1667

The record Rootgatherer found for birth still looks your best bet, but you could cross reference it with the information on the marriage cert to see if it was right.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Oct 2018 14:46

Her husband was on Chester ER to 2009
Eliza (listed as Elizabeth) is with him on ER until 2002.


Elizabeth Stockton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elizabeth Stockton
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1924
Registration Date: Jul 2002
Registration district: Chester and ellesmere Port
Inferred County: Cheshire
Register Number: C52
District and Subdistrict: 3401C

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 14:48

Snap, Argyllgran! :-D

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Oct 2018 14:52

???

Births Dec 1927 (>99%)
Stockton Kenneth H Smith Chester 8a 498


Mr Kenneth Stockton
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2017
Name: Mr Kenneth Stockton
Gender: Male
Age: 84
Birth Date: 4 Dec 1927
Death Date: 23 Nov 2011
Last Residence: Warrington, Cheshire, England
Postal Code District: Wa2

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 12 Oct 2018 21:24

all info posted is the right person, as you see from the marriage she was Eliza , only her husband called her Elizabeth. She was always known as Lil by everyone else. Now do I buy the birth posted by Rootgatherer as its the right area. or the Marriage cert

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 21:38

You should start with what you know is DEFINITE, in this case the marriage in 1957. This should give you the name and occupation of Eliza's father.

Then purchase the birth cert - if the father matches the one on the marriage cert, then it is likely to be correct, and you should then have the name and maiden name of her mother, and can start to look for their marriage, in order to work back.

The National Archives say this about the index cards they hold for the Land Army ( only the index cards survive, and not the full service records):

"Copies of alphabetical index cards (1939-1948)

Look through microfiche copies of index cards in MAF 421. The index cards can show name, address, date of birth, Women’s Land Army number and occasionally present occupation, where transferred to and when demobilised.

To access these records you will either need to visit us, pay for research (£) or, where you can identify a specific record reference, order a copy (£)."

Also:

"Original alphabetical index cards (1939-1950)

Contact the Imperial War Museum for a photocopy of an index card. The originals are not available for the public to view. They require the full name, date of birth, the address at the time of service, and the location of service if possible."


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 12 Oct 2018 22:47

I agree with Kucinta. Start with the marriage certificate. If you don't know the name of either parent it seems a little odd. If Eliza's parents had died before she came to England, it would seem a bit odd that she never mentioned them by name.

Who was her son named for please? Could it have been her father?

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 14 Oct 2018 03:06

She never mentioned her parents only to say they both died when she was very young and she was cared for by a neighbour. also there was no mention of any brothers or sisters which I find a bit odd as they were r.c
Are there any Ireland census records

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Oct 2018 09:41

The only Irish census online are the 1901 and 1911 so they are too early for her

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 14 Oct 2018 09:46

The only Irish census to survive intact are the 1901 and 1911. Just google Irish census, they are free to access.

The census may not help as her parents may not have married until after 1911.

Your first step is her marriage certificate and when you know her father's name we could look for a possible death for him and then for his wife in the same area. Like you, I think it a little unusual that she would have no siblings unless, of course, her parents were unmarried. Even the name of the family who cared for her may help.

Kayak

Kayak Report 14 Oct 2018 18:20

THIS IS ONLY A POSSIBILITY!


Marriage:

19th Aug 1921 Enniscorthy Edward O'gorman (aged 27) to Annie Aylward (aged 23)

Link to marriage cert (last image) :

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09236/5342801.pdf

death in 1925 in Enniscorthy for Annie O'gorman (aged 27, wife of Edward)

link to death reg (6th entry down):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1925/05008/4367577.pdf

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 14 Oct 2018 20:02

That looks potentially very good , Tiggit!

Now we just need the father on Eliza's marriage cert to be Edward!

Couple of potential family names on the marriage cert as well,

His father Patrick O'Gorman, tailor.

Her father Patrick Aylward, stone cutter

witnesses were

Mary Kate Aylward

Patrick O' Gorman.

You really need to get that 1957 marriage cert for Eliza!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 14 Oct 2018 20:39

Wonder if her Dad had remarried and died later? This man was a Signalman.

Edward O'GORMAN
Year of Death 1963
Group Registration ID 2875295
SR District/Reg Area Wexford
Deceased Age at Death 67