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yes it's frustrating how the names change and that may be a reason why i have trouble finding john. I'll probably get a few birth certificates to keep me going.
cheers

John's just registered as John - no middle name of George or William.


DYER, LOT mms DALLEY
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in NEWPORT Volume 11A Page 156

DYER, JOHN mms DALLEY
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in BRIDGWATER UNION Volume 10 Page 372

DYER, GEORGE BENJAMIN mms DALLEY
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 191

Yes John had his brother William, also Lot and George Benjamin. They are all over the place including Chepstow and Birmingham but they are never together. John is never seen with them after 1851 so don't worry about trying to find him. Maybe he was in prison ??

Brother William in 1861

Name: William Dyer
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnstable, Devon, England
Civil Parish or Township: Llantrisant
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Llantrisaint
ED, institution, or vessel: [8]
Household schedule number: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4042
Folio: 80
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Evan Evans 39
Gwenllian Evans 34
Thos Evans 8/12
Jennet Mathews 17
Mary Jones 15
Casherne Thonas 11
William Willian 18
William Dyer 13

The father's name is William

For INFO - to help the helpers, although William snr is a General Labourer - not a Carpenter

Name: John Dyer
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Dyer
Mother's name: Ann Dyer
Gender: Male
Where born: B Water, Somerset, England
Civil Parish or Township: St Woollos
Ecclesiastical parish: St Woollos
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Piece: 2452
Folio: 340
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dyer 27
Ann Dyer 29
William Dyer 3.........b. Barnstaple
John Dyer 2
Ann Dyer 6 Mo.....b. Newport, Mon

Yes the marriage is correct. John is a 2 year old in south wales in 1851. Father is William Dyer, labourer, later a carpenter. Mother is Ann Dyer. One brother called William and a sister called Hannah if i remember correctly. Then that's it until he appears on the marriage certificate London in the 1880;s so you can see why it's a bit of a struggle. I don't think i will find him as i think they ended up working on the railways and travelled all over the place. It's almost as if he didn't want to be found.
Thanks anyway

Name: John George Dyer************Platelayer
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 May 1885
Marriage Place: St James the Great, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Dyer******************Carpenter
Spouse: Sarah Ann Stock
Register Type: Parish Register

No mention of a third forename for John

Witnesses: Charles Dean and Elizabeth Vincent

is this john
1851
Quarry Road, North Petherton, Bridgwater, Somerset, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Dyer Head Married Male 42 1809 Carpenter Milverton, Somerset, England
Hannah Dyer Wife Married Female 32 1819 - North Petherton, Somerset, England
Matilda Dyer Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar North Petherton, Somerset, England
Thomas Dyer Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar North Petherton, Somerset, England
Emma Dyer Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar North Petherton, Somerset, England
John Dyer Son - Male 3 1848 - North Petherton, Somerset, England
Sarah Ann Dyer Daughter - Female 0 1851 - North Petherton, Somerset, England

1861
137, St John Street, Bridgwater, Somerset, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Dyer Head Married Male 53 1808 Carpenter Milverton, Somerset, England
Hannah Dyer Wife Married Female 43 1818 - North Petherton, Somerset, England
Matilda Dyer Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 - North Petherton, Somerset, England
Thomas Dyer Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Carpenter North Petherton, Somerset, England
John Dyer Son - Male 13 1848 Scholar North Petherton, Somerset, England
Sarah Ann Dyer Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar North Petherton, Somerset, England
Mary Jane Dyer Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Bridgwater, Somerset, England
Frederick Dyer Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Bridgwater, Somerset, England
Walter Dyer Son - Male 2 1859 - Bridgwater, Somerset, England
John Dyer's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
Drury John Halstead 4a 448
STOCK Harriet Halstead 4a 448


Sarah Drury
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah Drury
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Harriet Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Hempstead, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Household schedule number: 96
Piece: 567
Folio: 110
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Smith 29
Harriet Smith 28
Sarah Drury 10

I don't see a marriage for Harriet and Henry.

yes thats correct. By getting the birth certificates, it will help me pin point where they lived and i want to get death certificates as it says on the 1911 census that 6 children have died It's really the father John George William Dyer born in Bridgwarer Somerset 1849 that i want to find in 1861,,71,81 census but i've been there before and got stuck so that is something i will follow up later. Thanks again for all your help. I really appreciate it
Nick

AMELIA BERTHA
Last name DYER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1910
Registration month -

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AMELIA BERTHA DYER married one of these people

Joseph Herbert West, John Thorn
District West Ham
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Volume as transcribed 4A
Page number 544

?????
Name: Amelia B Thorn
Spouse Surname: Head
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Romford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 918
Records on Page:
Name
William A Head
Albert W Heeley
Mary A Leader
Amelia B Thorn

Name: Amelia Bertha Head
Death Date: 7 Sep 1945
Death Place: London, England
Probate Date: 5 Oct 1945
Registry: Llandudno

Name: Amelia B Head
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1888
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 68
Residence Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 5
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: CBLJ
Registration district: 188-2
Inferred Spouse: William A Head
Inferred Children: Amelia E Head
William E Head
Elsie E Head
Household Members:
Name
William A Head
Amelia B Head
Amelia E Head
William E Head
Elsie E Head

Crikey i just think you found alot of what i was looking for over a number of years. Sarah Ann Stock mother was called Harriett. Without looking at my records right now i'm sure she married a man called Drury and Sarah is listed in 1881 as Sarah Drury living in Mile End Road. Still letting that all sink in

Death of William John, mms Drury ??

Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%)
Dyer William John 0 W. Ham 4a 102

DYER, AMELIA BERTHA mms STOCK
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 235

I don't see her on censuses, nor her death

It's a long story but there is a connection to the Drury name for Sarah Ann so i'll really have to think about this. Very odd
Thanks

from fmp
Dyer Amelia Bertha 1888 — 1888 England & Wales Births 1837 - 2006 West Ham

Dyer Emily Maud 1894 — 1894 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 West Ham, Essex, England

DYER, WILLIAM JOHN DRURY Order
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 218

DYER, ERNEST JOHN DRURY Order
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 268

DYER, ESTHER DRURY Order
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 31

The children's names seem to change around a lot! I've found these that kind of match some of the names but it's a different mother's MS. :-S

and for Alice M in 1901? Dosn't fit very well, I know but none of the names do.

STOCK, ALICE ANN LYDIA DRURY Order
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 182

Children on 1911 census:


DYER, EDWARD mms STOCK
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 125


Births Mar 1898 (>99%)
DYER Esther W. Ham 4a 31
[I don't see this one on the GRO website ]


DYER, EMILY MAUD mms STOCK
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 155
[This is presumably Emily rose on 1911 census ]

I don't see John William so far.

EDIT:
Ancestry suggests this is him, but I can't find this on GRO either:

Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
Dyer John Stanley W. Ham 4a 145

In any case, I think that's this child:


John S Dyer
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John S Dyer
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Marton S Dyer
Mother: Louisa A Dyer
Birth Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Piece: 1578
Folio: 47
Page Number: 39
Household schedule number: 203

Thank you. I'll do that
cheers