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I realise i'm probably thick but what website do you find births that also mention the mother's maiden? I apologise for going off the original thread but that would help take it further

1881 - Ancestry suggests the census I posted earlier for Sarah Ann.

Great Canfield is about 10 miles as the crow flies from Hempstead.

(But maybe the enumerator got it wrong - there's a Great Sampford just beside Hempstead. Just a thought.)

Yes i have 1891, 1901, 1911, census. They disappear in 1881 and i've had a little trouble with birth certificates because they seem to use different names or nicknames at times. I'm not sure they registered their oldest child as she may have been born before they got married. Ithink i need to improve my research skills.
cheers again

I agree with Alviegal's 1901 and 1911 - and Ancestry links them to Sarah Ann Stock of Hempstead, Essex.

1911 says they'd had 11 children, of whom 6 had died.

?? At Miss Shannon's Orphan Home

Sarah A Stock
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah A Stock
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 218
Piece: 607
Folio: 84
Page Number: 45


??

Sarah A. Stock
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Sarah A. Stock
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Gt Caufield, Essex, England [ Gt Canfield on image ]
Civil Parish: Bishop Stortford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address: Bridge St (Post Office)
Occupation: General Serv
Registration district: Bishop Stortford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 1406
Folio: 72
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Millard 49
Elizabeth C. Millard 27
Susan U. Millard 20
Florence E. Millard 14
Sarah A. Stock 20



Sarah Dyer
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Sarah Dyer
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1864
Spouse: John Dyer
Child: Alice Dyer
Lily Dyer
Birth Place: Hampstead, Essex, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: West Ham
Residence Place: Stratford, West Ham, Essex, England
Sub registration district: Stratford
ED, Institution or Vessel: 18
Neighbors:
Piece: 1314
Folio: 81
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dyer 42
Sarah Dyer 27
Alice Dyer 7
Lily Dyer 3

??

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

33, Bethell Avenue, West Ham, London & Essex, England


George J Dyer Head Married Male 52 1849 General Laborer Bridgwater, Somerset, England
Sarah A Dyer Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Essex, England
Alice M Dyer Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Confectionery Worker Leyton, Essex, England
Lily A Dyer Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Leyton, Essex, England
John G Dyer Son Single Male 10 1891 - Leytonstone, Essex, England
Emily R Dyer Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - West Ham, Essex, England
Ettie Dyer Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - West Ham, Essex, England
Edward Dyer Son Single Male 1 1900 - Plaistow, Essex, England



1911 Census For England & Wales

24 Wakelin Road West Ham, West Ham, London & Essex, England

John George Dyer Head Married Male 62 1849 Navvy And General Labourer Bridgewater Somersetshire
Sarah Ann Dyer Wife Married Female 48 1863 - Kemsted Essex
John William Dyer Son Single Male 19 1892 Skin Dyer Leytonstone Essex
Emily Rose Dyer Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Confectionery Hand West Ham S Essex
Ester Dyer Daughter - Female 13 1898 - West Ham S Essex
Edward Dyer Son - Male 11 1900 - West Ham N Essex
Nell Monk Visitor Single Female 17 1894 Carton Weaver West Ham S Essex
James Monk Visitor - Male 9 1902 - West Ham S Essex

Married 27 years, 11 children born, 6 have died.

I have the certificates for Amelia and Edward. I'll apply for the Emily one. Cheers

Yes i think it's fair to say we have different people. I'll keep searching Thanks for all your help

Nick

Are you sure she was born in Hemel Hempstead? Could this be her, born in Hempstead, Essex?

Do you know her parents' names?


Sarah Ann Stock
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Sarah Ann Stock
Age: 0
Estimated Birth Year: 1861
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Hempstead, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Hempstead
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district: Radwinter
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 1123
Folio: 36
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Lydia Stock 59
Thomas Stock 27
Harriett Stock 21
Sarah Ann Stock 0

This is the birth of that child, daughter of unmarried Harriet:

STOCK, SARAH ANN -
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in SAFFRON WALDEN Volume 04A Page 382


EDIT:
Maybe not Harriet's daughter.
Harriet had three sisters - Sarah could be the daughter of either Harriet, Susan, or Emily. The other sister Jane married in 1854.


Harriett Stock
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Harriett Stock
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Stock
Mother's name: Lydia Stock
Gender: Female
Where born: Hempstead, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Hempstead
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 1786
Folio: 621
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
James Stock 52
Lydia Stock 48
Thomas Stock 21
Jane Stock 17
Harriett Stock 12
Emily Stock 10
Susan Stock 6

Children for this couple?

DYER, AMELIA BERTHA STOCK Order
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 235

DYER, EMILY MAUD STOCK Order
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 155

DYER, EDWARD STOCK Order
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 125

i think this is the william from 1891 census - just for info
William Dyer
Baptism Date: 2 Mar 1845
Baptism Place: West Monkton, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: West Monkton
Search Photos: Search for 'West Monkton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: James Dyer
Mother: Hannah Dyer

and his marraige
Name: William Dyer
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 13 Sep 1885
Marriage Place: Christ Church, Greenwich, East, Greenwich, England
Father: James Dyer
Spouse: Sarah Ann Collins
Register Type: Parish Register

both widows
he was a ship ??????

John George Dyer, also known at times as John William Dyer married Sarah Ann Stock in 1885 at St. James the Great, I think we have just very common names being used unfortunately
Thanks Kath

Is this their marriage (do you know Sarah's maiden name?)? :-

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name DYER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1885
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

WILLIAM DYER married one of these people

>>>>Sarah Ann Collins<<<<, Lizzie Jane Candler

District Greenwich
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Volume as transcribed 1D
Page number 1389
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

The head of the family sometimes used William as one of his names but the more i think about it they probably are different people as he would usually use John on the census

Yes that is them on the census. They had children in 1891 so at the moment i'm thinking we have two different couples. Their oldest child appears to have been born in 1884 but they married in 1885

Thanks Maddie.
Still frustrating though. My Great grandparents were Sarah Dyer , born around 1860 in Hemel Hemstead which is near Buckinghamshire i believe and William Dyer , born in somerset in 1849. I guess i'll have to see if there is a similar sounding couple on the census

Is this your great grandmother in 1901? (this is a different one to the one found by Maddie) :-

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
33, Bethell Avenue, West Ham, London & Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

George J Dyer Head Married Male 52 1849 General Laborer Bridgwater, Somerset, England
Sarah A Dyer Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Essex, England
Alice M Dyer Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Confectionery Worker Leyton, Essex, England
Lily A Dyer Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Leyton, Essex, England
John G Dyer Son Single Male 10 1891 - Leytonstone, Essex, England
Emily R Dyer Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - West Ham, Essex, England
Ettie Dyer Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - West Ham, Essex, England
Edward Dyer Son Single Male 1 1900 - Plaistow, Essex, England

Kath. x

If you know the names and approximate birth years of her children can you please let us have them so we can look for you?

Kath. x

at 122 with a family called davies

1891

West Street, Charlton Next Woolwich, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Dyer Head Married Male 46 1845 Labourer Ship Breaking Yard Somerset, England
Sarah Dyer Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Buckinghamshire, England



William Davis Head Married Male 25 1866 Stoker Railway Kent, England
Rose Davis Wife Married Female 24 1867 - Kent, England
Ethel E Davis Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Kent, England
May S Davis Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Kent, England
Alfred Greenwood Cousin Single Male 20 1871 Engine Cleaner Charlton, Kent, England