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from ancestry ..........

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name: George Wilkinson
Gender: Male
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 8 Jul 1834
Marriage Banns Place: St Clement Eastcheap, City of London, England
Spouse: Sarah Harrison
Register Type: Parish Register

from image .................. Sarah Harrison, WIDOW



Could she have been Forbes before her marriage???


Have to go, no time to search further at the moment!

Thank you everyone for your input. I need to study the details more closely. Will return to the board tomorrow. Good night.

??????? from GRO

WILKINSON, MARTHA mmn FORBES
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 70

WILKINSON, CHARLES mmn FORBES
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 70


WILKINSON, MARTHA CHARLOTTE mmn FORBES
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in GREENWICH UNION Volume 05 Page 209


haven't find George William on GRO ......... but have to leave now

Sorry yes I did. I said I was confused!

Ronald - do you mean the 3 death certificates (not birth) ?

Check 1881/1891 census in area - they could possibly be for other Henry Scott's.

the 1852 baptisms posted by Sylvia -

there were 3 actually, all on April 4th by George and Sarah of 11 Ann's Place - images on Ancestry

Martha born February 6th
Charles born February 6th
Charlotte Martha born September 26th

also George William 2.3.1856 born 18 December 1854

May have to take pot luck and order one of the Henry birth certificates Greyghost has found. Or all three!

Ronald .... so am I!!

Wow, well found SylviaInCanada. I'm now getting confused.

unless one of these is him - so born c 1830 / 1825 / 1825 which would make him older than Martha's declared age on census. But he could have died anywhere or Martha just says she's widowed

Deaths Jun 1881 (>99%)
Scott Henry James 51 St. Olave 1d 112

Deaths Dec 1885 (>99%)
SCOTT Henry 60 St. Olave

Deaths Jun 1887 (>99%)
Scott Henry 62 St. Olave 1d 198

Martha widowed by 1891, - so no idea of age for Henry as he wasn't shown on 1881 census either to look for him earlier

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
New Church Street, Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Martha Scott Head Widow Female 37 1854 - London, Middlesex, England
William Scott Son Single Male 16 1875 General Labourer London, Middlesex, England
Henry Scott Son Single Male 20 1871 General Labourer London, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Scott Daughter - Female 12 1879 - London, Middlesex, England
Henry J Hall Boarder Single Male 48 1843 Lighter Man London, Middlesex, England

Sorry SylviaInCanada, misinterpreted your question.
Also, thanks for explanation of why couples didn't always marry before first child.

Here's another version of the baptism found by TEC ,,,,,, only she was born much earlier

from FMP ............

Surrey Baptisms

First name(s) Charlotte Martha
Last name Wilkinson
Birth year 1839
Birth date 26 Sep 1839
Baptism year 1852
Baptism date 04 Apr 1852
Baptism place Bermondsey St James
Relationship Dau
Father's first name(s) George
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Parent's occupation Iron Moulder
Residence 11 Ann's Place
County Surrey
Country England
Record set Surrey Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain


says born 1839 ....... even earlier!!!



BUT is this also her or another child? Same parents' names and same address, baptised same day
:
Surrey Baptisms

First name(s) Martha
Last name Wilkinson
Birth year 1852
Birth date 06 Feb 1852
Baptism year 1852
Baptism date 04 Apr 1852
Baptism place Bermondsey St James
Relationship Dau
Father's first name(s) George
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Parent's occupation Iron Moulder
Residence 11 Ann's Place
County Surrey
Country England
Record set Surrey Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms

the Scott/Wilkinson births if all to the same couple go on pre and post the marriage of Henry and Martha in 1875

Results:

SCOTT, HENRY WILLIAM WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D

SCOTT, MARTHA CHARLOTTE WILKINSON Order
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 276

SCOTT< WILLIAM JAMES WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 245 Order

SCOTT, JOSEPH WILKINSON Order
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in ST OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 225

More Scott/Forbes births - after the marriage

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:

SCOTT, ELIZABETH SARAH FORBES Order
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 196

and her death
Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
SCOTT, ELIZABETH SARAH 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 159

The usual reason for a couple not to marry until after several children are born include they don't want to, but usually back in those days it meant that one partner was already married.

As divorce was all but impossible for any but the very wealthy, people couldn't marry until the other partner died.

Now that's interesting Greyghost. I obtained Martha Charlotte mmn from the GRO site. I think the Charlotte in the 1881 is a different person, as she was born in 1879. Martha was 1875. However, the Forbes reference is intriguing.

Ronald ............ I meant the MOTHER Martha Charlotte Forbes or Wilkinson

I do not see that in your OP, just the reference to the child

Only Martha Charlotte I've found, so almost 10 years older than 1881 suggests, but born Surrey as per census, but not Bermondsey

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1845 (>99%)

from GRO -
WILKINSON, MARTHA CHARLOTTE DURAND Order
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 04 Page 200

But may not have been registered

Hi SylviaInCanada, yes, it's the reference I put in my original post