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Thanks for checking those out, I agree none look likely. Also you share my thoughts on the newspaper report - maybe whoever was reporting it misheard or mis-spelt the name & address. It does look likely to be "our" Rosetta.

I've just trawled through all the deaths on GRONI from 1905 to 1967 (latest available online) and none would match with his age. Scotland's already been checked, as has England/Wales. So in my mind the possibilities are he just changed his name and left the family (in which case we'll never find him) or his death was registered by someone who didn't know his details or he moved abroad.

I'll contact the library suggested after the NY see what they can come up with.

Thanks for all the help.

I had a look at the few "possibles" for James in Scotland in 1911, as posted on the other thread.

However, no further forward.

The most likely geographically seemed the one in Possilpark:

From a basic free search, that James is with a wife/partner Jessie (32) and two children, Archibald (4 ) and Marion (6).

Rosetta was in Hartwood Asylum, Shotts, in 1911, so maybe he had taken up with another woman.
However, from daughter Marion's birth cert.
Father: James Anderson Dalrymple, blacksmith journeyman.
Mother: Jessie Dalrymple, ms Wilson.
Parents married 12/07/1901 in Kelvin district, Glasgow.
The middle name is shown on the marriage record.

"Our" James doesn't have a middle name in any other record.
Also the marriage is very soon after the 1901 census on 31 March when he's with Rosetta.



Looking at the other possibilities:

The one in Leith is with his parents Helen and James, and is also with them in 1901.

The one in Wemyss, Fife, is with his father James (61), and is with his parents in 1901.

The one in Kilwinning is with his wife Jessie and children Isabel (2) and Henry (1).
Henry's birth cert says his father was an insurance agent - so unlikely to be the right one unless he'd had a major change of occupation.
James and Jessie (ms Cross) married 6/11/1907 in Calton district, Glasgow.

And the one in Kirkmahoe is with his father Robert. I can't see that James or Robert conclusively in 1901, but I feel he's not likely to be the right one.

If the newspaper report could put Picken instead of Kippen, I'm sure It's not a stretch to put McMaron instead of McErlaine!

I can't see another Rosetta in the area Dea, and it's a bit of a coincidence of 45 Picken Street, where James shows on the valuation roll at 45 Kippen Street - maybe the newspaper report got it a bit wrong?

Strange though, I think by 1905 they had 4 children, maybe 2 were elsewhere.

Do we know why Rosetta could have been calling herself 'McMaron' ?


COATBRIDGE POLICE COURT.
—Rosetta McMaron or Dalrymple, 45 Picken Street, Airdrie, was fined 10s or seven days for being drunk while in charge of two children.—
08 July 1905 - Airdrie & Coatbridge Advertiser - Airdrie, Lanarkshire

Dea x

EDIT:
Silly me, I have just remembered that 'scottish thing' about women, once they are married, being referred to by both their surnames with an 'or' in between!! :-S So, this is probably a different Rosetta?? - I will leave it here though just in case.

Dea x

I hadn't appreciated there was an earlier thread so thanks for the link, I was looking at this for a newly found cousin (through ancestry DNA).

Doesn't look like anyone could find anything concrete about James though after the 1901 census in the previous thread and found again here. Sorry if I've made you all duplicate searches.

An earlier thread about this family (from Jean on behalf of someone else) - I thought it sounded familiar:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1362017


The 1909 Calderhead death was already eliminated on that thread - that James's wife was Margaret.

Also on the other thread - Rosetta's 1953 death cert apparently says "married to" not "widow of" - though of course that may just have been what the informant thought.

1905 valuation rolls

Place Parish Year Reference Number Image View
DALRYMPLE
JAMES
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 45C KIPPEN STREET
NEW MONKLAND
1905
VR000100020-

Not all the indexes for Scottish deaths give the mmn.

Found by googling

Monklands Memories- Genealogy - general Information
www.monklands.co.uk/genealogy/northlan1.htm
Poor relief records for Lanarkshire and Dunbartonshire are held at Glasgow City Archives, The Mitchell Library, Glasgow. Police personnel records Surviving police personnel records where the successor force was Strathclyde Police are held at Glasgow City Archives, The Mitchell Library, Glasgow.


So the records are at The Mitchell. They won't be online but they will have been indexed so it may be worth contacting the library to ask if they will check the indexes for you. From personal experience I know these records often give a fair amount of family information.

Thanks rootgatherer, I hadn't appreciated the mmn was on Scotland's death records, so that does eliminate the death I believe.

The Russell is the mother's maiden name. As I was posting Greyghost found his birth showing his mother's maiden name so that death is probably the other James Dalrymple in Lanakshire born around the same time in Ireland. Unless, of course, the informant got the details wrong.

Thanks greyghost, know what your're trying to do, and I really appreciate it. Not sure how you eliminate the death, you obviously know much more than I do on Scottish records.

All my family were English, so I've not delved into Ireland/Scotland until recently - it's a whole new ball game!

Hi rootgatherer, what does Russell refer to please, not that familiar with Scotland's records?

I know what you're looking for, but posting what I find - mmn may help on other records

If birth record correct, it would eliminate the death posted above (mmn listed as Russell not as that on birth record).

Presumably you have eliminated this death?

DALRYMPLE
JAMES
29
RUSSELL
1909
626/B 12
Calderhead


There is another James Dalrymple in Stonehouse (also born Ireland) on the 1901 census, so that death could be his.

That's him greyghost, but we need to find out what happened to him after his latest sighting on the 1901 census. Did he die, or go abroad - he just disappeared from his family?

Name JAMES DALRYMPLE
Date of Birth 1879
Group Registration ID 8947451
SR District/Reg Area Ballymoney
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R
Image

Image shows
Superintendent Registrar's District of Ballymoney
Registrar's district Dirraw
County of Antrim

birth 17 April 1879
Father - Robert Dalrymple of ? Gortreighy a Labourer
Mother - Mary Dalrymple formerly ?McKernan
Registered by Martha Kearney present at birth

I think greyghost is spot on with the 1911 census, and the death - matches what my cousin has found so far. What we are trying to find is what happened to James who appears to have disappeared after the birth of his 3rd child Daniel born in 1903 in Coatbridge Scotland.

I'll try to check out the poor relief records rootsgatherer but not that familiar with what is available in Scotland's records - thanks for the suggestion. All help greatly appreciated!

Surname Forename Year Gender Age at Census Ref RD Name County/ City Image View
DALRYMPLE
ROSETTA
1911
F
34
655/1 5/ 23
Shotts (Middle District)
Lanark

A Rosetta Dalrymple is in an institution in 1911 - listed as Married, a Housewife born Coatbridge, Lanarks. And a Lunatic (as are rest of those listed)

There is a 1953 Death record for a Rosetta Dalrymple aged 73 in Calderhead RD Ref. 626/B 77