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Dear All,

One of my ancestors, James Rammell, emigrated in 1878 aged 23 to Melbourne Australia from Devon, UK onboard Northumberland. He was a sugar refiner. He died in 1914 Drummoyne NSW Australia.

I have never been able to find out if he married and had children. I can see possible electoral rolls entries in Ancestry but cannot access them as I don't have the full membership.

James had a brother Edward who came out to Australia from England when his brother James died.

Could someone please have a look for James for me in Australia.

Thanks in advance

Gillian

There is this electoral roll on Findmypast, however James is the only Rammell mentioned, but even if he was married it's unlikely that his wife would be on the electoral roll at that time:-

First name(s) James
Last name Rammell
Sex Male
Birth year -
Occupation Labourer
Year 1903
Number 3081
House name 749
Street Harris Street
Address 749 Harris Street
Place -
Sub-district -
District -
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Page 42
Record set Australia Electoral Rolls
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Collections from Australasia
© Findmypast

Kath. x

This looks like his death (which I know you already have):-

First name(s) James
Last name Rammell
Birth year -
Death year 1914
Registration year 1914
Age at death -
Registration district Drummoyne
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) Gibson B
Mother's first name(s) -
Registration number 9912
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Australasia

Kath. x

Is this James's parent's marriage in Devon? :-

First name(s) GIBSON
Last name RAMMELL
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1863
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

GIBSON RAMMELL married one of these people

Elizabeth Jenkins

District Stoke Damerel
District number -
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Volume as transcribed 5B
Page number 596
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce

Kath. x

Hi Kath,

Thanks.

Yes that is James' death. His father was Gibbon Bushell Rammell!

Is there a death date?

Best regards

Gillian

The marriage is James' brother, Gibbon Rammell who married Elizabeth Jenkins in Devon.

There is no date of death given. You would have to apply for the death certificate to find the exact date (I'm not sure how you go about ordering Australian certificates).

Kath. x

OK, thanks Kath

Could see if there’s a report in online newspapers
https://trove.nla.gov.au

However, there seems to be a different person with the same name eg in 1906

REFUSED TO PAY HIS FARE.
James Rammell, 52, a hawker, was, at the Water
Police Court yesterday, fined 10s, or 48 hours in--
prisonment, for refusing to pay a tramway fare of
one penny. Evidence was given to the effect that
Rammell journeyed in the car from Erskine-street
to William-street, and when asked for his fare said "I
refuse to pay on principle

Sydney morning herald, Wed 20 June 1906.

Maths head not on this morning- can’t work out when either of them would have been born. :-0
Edit - the yob seems to be about right?

Hi Detective,

Thanks for that story! James was born in 1848 Kentish Town. So would have been 58 in 1906 but not that far from 52!

Best regards

G

A rather dramatic change of employment if it is the same man

A James Rammell born c1855 entered Australia in 1878. Age more in keeping with newspaper report

These are the 2 Rammells showing on http://austcemindex.com. Unusual name but no idea if there's any connection at all between them. james born c 1853??

Rammell James 7 Sep 1914 61 Field of Mars NSW Ang Sec D, 295
Rammell Shirley Ann 1948? 7 Jul 2006 58 Centennial Park SA

Hi Erika,

I had assumed that James b1855 was my James b1848 even if the years are a bit out.

There are two sailings from England, one in 1878 and a second in 1881 to Victoria Australia. Maybe the same or 2 different people? The one in 1881 makes sense as it was after his mother had died. His father was already dead.

Best regards

G

In 1871 James is in Crediton aged 22 with his family, unmarr, occupation Telegraphist. He had probably left England before the 1881 census.

His baptism.

First name(s) James
Last name Rammell
Birth year 1848
Birth date 26 May 1848
Baptism year 1867
Baptism date 06 Mar 1867
Baptism place Clapham St John
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Gibon Bushell
Mother's first name(s) Fanny
Parent's occupation Telegraph Officer
Residence Lambeth
County Surrey

Hi Alviegal

Yes that is him.

G

There is a James Rammell born c1855 on 1861 census in Manchester - fits with the 1878 migration and the newspaper article

I can’t think that the above events relate to someone born in 1848, but that is only my opinion

The name is not unique

Hi Erika,

Yes, you are correct, the Manchester Rammell is not mine.

Best regards

G

Yet you say that your man is the one aged 23 in 1878...............

That is what I initially thought.

So the first sailing in 1878 is the Manchester James.

And the second sailing in 1881 (just after his mother's death), is my James who died in 1914 (his father's name Gibbon is given in the death record).

James' brother Edward Rammell sailed to Australia to sort out his brother's affairs. Edward then returned to England and he ended his days in Guernsey.