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I got lost here with the naming of the sister so thought that was the one being looked for


If the one being looked for is a relative then you can order a copy of their army records

It's unlikely, Malyon, as the man we're looking for was in Watford in 1939, and in the British army in WW2.

ADDED:

In fact, definitely not.
William J Renno joined the US Army in 1942.

could this be william joseph surname spelt different sounds the same

William J Renno
United States Census, 1940

Name: William J Renno
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Greece Town, Monroe, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: New York
Birth Year (Estimated): 1923
Last Place of Residence: Wellsville, Allegheny, New York
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William A Renno Head Male 48 New York
Marybelle Renno Wife Female 40 New York
William J Renno Son Male 17 New York
Mary Ellen Renno Daughter Female 7 New York

Quite likely its him and he changed his name - Probably a coincidence as I dont think the Hendon branch - while probably distant relations - knew each other as no near link as been found.
The Ernest Joseph Renew born 1916 died during WW2 and is named on the Chatham Memorial. he is a cousin of the Bethanal Green family.

Marriages Dec 1946 (>99%)
Jolly Florence J Renew Bethnal G. 5c 299 Scan available - click to view
Renew William J Jolly Bethnal G. 5c 299

clutching at straws a bit - there's this birth but I can find no trace of Ernest after his birth


Births Dec 1922

Renew Ernest W Morton Hendon 3a 512


Marriages Dec 1920

Morton Florence Renew Hendon 3a 910
Renew Arthur F Morton Hendon 3a 910


Deaths Sep 1936

Renew Florence 43 Hendon 3a 427


Marriages Dec 1936

Renew Arthur F Smith Hendon 3a 1288
Smith Grace M Renew Hendon 3a 1288



living in Hertfordshire in 1939 -

21 Cross Road , Bushey U.D., Hertfordshire, England

Arthur F Renew 02 Mar 1895 Male School Porter Married 22 1
Grace M Renew 24 Feb 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 22 2

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Grace Ward 30 May 1919 Female Domestic Work Single 22 8

That’s the sister of the man who survived.

The query relates to the man who died in 1944 who is on 1939 in Watford

But Anne Gardner/Renew (1898) listed with William J in 1939 is his mother, not his sister. She's listed as Renew, then that's been changed to Gardner, which was a mistake , so it's been changed back to Renew.
On Ancestry, there's a closed record between Anne and William J, which is probably the sister.


However -

It's not William Renew (mms Hemsworth) that we're trying to find out about.

It's the other one, apparently born 11 Sept 1922, and living in Watford in 1939.

So it's th same mmn

Births Jun 1920
Renew Annie G Hemsworth Bethnal G. 1c 356

Ok found it

Marriages Mar 1938
Gardner William E Renew Stepney 1c 241
Renew Annie G Gardner Stepney 1c 241

So have you found her birth and who does she say is her dad

Gardner. Maiden Name Renew.
Her Mother was Anne Renew- Maiden Name Hemsworth. But her marriage in 1918 is under Pitkin as that was the rname of her first husband killed in 1916 in France.

But what was her surname

Yes. Her Marriage is Mar 1938 in Stepney.

Deaths Jun 1941
Gardner Anne G 21 Norwich 4b 407

So was she married ??

So was Anne gardener nee renew ???

I have checked all the Marriages of Renew from 1922 onwards with the names of their spouses for any possible births but none that seems that likely are found. So puzzling.
I agree with you that a possible solution is a birth marriage or both taking place outside of England and Wales.
Through as he was working in what looks like service at 17 an unusual start to life can't be ruled out.

Yes, Fire, it happens frequently - not specifically re military records, but in all areas of family history research.

Usually the answer is that the person was born under another surname, and later the mother has married or remarried.

Unfortunately there were hundreds of William J's born in Sept qr 1922 - we can't even narrow it down by place.

I've compared the surnames of William J's born in Sept qr 1922 with the surnames of women marrying Renews 1922-39 - but nothing jumps out at me.
(That's assuming the birth and possible marriage took place in England or Wales.)

The other William is a Wine Shop Assistant not a Wire Shop assistant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: William J Renew
Registration Date: 1923
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Re-registration Year: 1923
Mother's Maiden Name: Hemsworth
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 267

Electoral roll 1832 - 1965
Name: William J-J Renew
Year: 1963
County or Borough: Bethnal Green
Ward or Division/Constituency: Bethnal Green
Street address: 67 George Belt House
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/2842

Will do when I get a bit of money.
Anyone come across this before? No Birth record being able to be found. And a very unusual surname.