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I am wondering if anyone can help or advise me. Family folk lore says that an ancestor was in the Black Watch and I have found Helen Marriott who was born in Edinburgh in about 1861. She has a brother John also said to have been born in Edinburgh so am assuming some truth in what is said. However Mother in Law couldn't remember any names.
I have located their Mother. Mary Vincent who lived in Glastonbury Somerset but cannot trace their father. He does not appear on Helen's Marriage certificate or Johns service records. Nor have i been able to find a previous marriage for Mary Vincent who at the time of her daughter's marriage was married to James Vincent ,a Tailor.

Where have you found the records

Can't help is it's Scotlands People for bmds as it's not a subs sites

You have two difrent spellings for the surname .which one is it ??

If this is Mary and James then she wouldn't be having children in the 1860,s

1861 census
Name: Mary Vincent
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: 1797
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Vincent
Gender: Female
Where born: Glastonbury, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Glastonbury St John and St Benedict
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Glastonbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 1666
Folio: 128
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James Vincent 68 occ tailor
Mary Vincent 64

Dates would help.

also a little more detail.

Helen Marriott...a maiden or married name.? if married where did it take place.?

Is Vincent the second marriage surname for Mary and if so where did it take place?




There is no Helen Marriott born in Scotland in 1861 which comes in the statuary registration

Another thread about this family on Military Chat:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1375510

Please stick to one thread, Sylvia, to save helpers duplicating research - as has already happened.

Or this one

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Name: Mary Vincent
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Vincent
Gender: Female
Where born: Glastonbury, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Glastonbury St Benedict
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Glastonbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7e
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Household schedule number: 139
Piece: 1935
Folio: 284
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
James Vincent 52
Mary Vincent 43
John Merriott 28 step son occ Chelsea pensioner born Glastonbury
Note as a Chelsea pensioner he would have served in the British army

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Name: John Merriott
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Merriott
Gender: Male
Where born: Langport, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: East Stonehouse
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: East Stonehouse
Sub-registration district: East Stonehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 263
Piece: 1447
Folio: 25
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
John Merriott 38
Ann Merriott 33
John E Merriott 6
James W Merriott 3
Edith A Merriott 2
Levina Merriott 2/12

[I've moved over here from the other thread, as this one now has more replies.]


Although that must be the family Sylvia means, that John is nearly 40 years older than Helen if she was actually born about 1861. Can't be Helen's brother.

Where did you get your info from, Sylvia?
Are you sure you mean 1861 for Helen's birth ?

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And if he's Mary's son, she would only have been 15 when he was born, assuming her age is given correctly in 1851 census. Not impossible - but . . .

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Marriages Sep 1850
Marriott Helen Wells 10 659
Savage Charles Wells 10. 659

She was born in 1828
1871 census
Helen Savage
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles Savage
Gender: Female
Where born: Edinburgh, Scotland
Civil Parish: Wedmore
Town: Wedmore
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Axbridge
Sub-registration district: Wedmore
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 17
Piece: 2453
Folio: 57
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Savage 43
Helen Savage 43
Charles W Savage 18
Caroline M Savage 16
George J Savage 14
Thomas J Savage 12
Mary Vincent 73 mother occ annuitant

Class: RG10; Piece: 2453; Folio: 57; Page: 3; GSU roll: 835186

Helen Savage
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Helen Savage
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles Savage
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Wedmore
Ecclesiastical parish: Wedmore
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Axbridge
Sub-registration district: Wedmore
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 1668
Folio: 43
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Savage 33
Helen Savage 35
Charles Wesley Savage 8
Caroline M Savage 6
George John Savage 4
Thomas Jas Savage 2
Helen Savage 2/12
William Pople 24

But still no sign of her birth on ScotlandsPeople - though the old parish registers aren't exhaustive. Many haven't survived, or no record may have been made in the first place.

As you say no father stated on the cert


Name: Helen Marriott
Gender: Female
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 20 Aug 1850
Marriage Place: Glastonbury, St Benedict, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Glastonbury
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Spouse: Charles Savage

Mary must have married not long after Helen was born as there another daughter born c1830

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Name: James Vincent
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil Parish: St Benedict and St John Glastonbury
Hundred: Glaston Twelve Hides
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: tailor

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Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Glastonbury
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Piece: 943
Book: 4
Folio: 37
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
James Vincent 36
Mary Vincent 43
Charlott Vincent 11

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Name: Mary Ann Charlotte Vincent
Baptism Date: 8 Jun 1830
Baptism Place: Farrington Gurney, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Farrington Gurney
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Father: James Vincent occ tailor
Mother: Mary Vincent

I believe the black watch wasn't formed till 1881

So I wonder if she was married before so both children were illegitimate

Wonder too why she was in Scotland c1828 and having another child in 1830 back in Somerset

The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland is an infantry battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland. The regiment was created as part of the Childers Reforms in 1881, when the 42nd Regiment of Foot was amalgamated with the 73rd Regiment of Foot.

Feedback from Sylvia with accurate date info is needed

Possibly son John in 1841 ??


John Merriott
in the 1841 England Census
Name: John Merriott
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Martock
Hundred: Frome Martock
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Yeovil
Sub-registration district: Martock
Neighbors:
Piece: 951
Book: 2
Folio: 51
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hamblen 20
Thomas Rackett 25
John Stuckey 20
Charles Gillett 20
John Merriott 20 - boatman



And just a vague possibility for baptism - not too far from Glastonbury:


John Merritt
England Births and Christenings
Name John Merritt
Gender Male
Christening Date 26 Oct 1823
Christening Date (Original) 26 OCT 1823
Christening Place SION CHAPEL TUAM STREET-INDEPENDENT,BRIDGWATER,SOMERSET,ENGLAND
Father's Name James Merritt
Mother's Name Mary