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Parents James and Sarah Ann Armstrong nee Addis Shankill Edenderry street. Brothers John and James sisters Mary Ann and Sarah Armstrong. Im at a brick wall and cant trace my ancestors beyond here. Thank you for any help. James jnr work on titanic delivering her to southampton and he miss maiden voyage as slept in for boat next morning of sailing. He born 1882ish ligoneil and cant find his mums surname she was from glasgow died 1903 weir st. James died 1922 shankill greaveyard Regards Sharonrosr

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How could Edward be born 1904 if his mother died 1903?

No she didn't die in 1903 - perhaps I'm not understanding your post.

Sarah Ann Armstrong
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: Sarah Ann Armstrong
Gender: Female
Age: 38
Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Wier Street
District: Shankill
County: Antrim
Household Members:
Name Age
James Armstrong 49
Sarah Ann Armstrong 38
Edward Armstrong 7
Mary Ann Armstrong 5
Sarah Ann Armstrong 1
John Armstrong 3
Clara McBarnes 12 - stepdaughter
Elizabeth McBarnes 10 - stepdaughter

Parents born Co Antrim; all the children born Belfast.

Sarah Ann and children Elizabeth and Clara in 1901:


Sarrah Ann Mc Barron
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Sarrah Ann Mc Barron
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Daughter
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Pernan Street
District: Shankhill
County: Antrim
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Addis 54 - head
Eliza Addis 56 - wife
Eliza Kennedy 23 - daughter
Sarrah Ann Mc Barron 30 - daughter
Alice Kennedy 1 - grand-daughter
Claria Mc Barron 2 - grand-daughter
Eliza Mc Barron - grand-daughter


Born Co Antrim - no suggestion of Glasgow.

Edwards half brother James mum died. Then Edward mary john and sarah was born to Sarah Barnes. I found in telegraph that brother john died in 26 October 1932, brother james died 16 April 1922 and father James died 20.4.1938. I am trying to trace Edward family to see if I can find anything of Edward which my show his father details birth day to help my research in familytree

Name EDWARD ARMSTRONG
Date of Birth 06 April 1904
Group Registration ID 4744650
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname ADDIS

From original - born at 48 Weir Street

yes this is his mum and other half sisters clara and elizabeth. I just cannot get any further back from Edwards dad on his death cert he is 76 but on the burial records shows he was 81. difference in age 5 years.

It was edwards half brother James born abt 1881 mum who was from glasgow Elizabeth and ive looked through all marriages for James and An Elizabeth in irishgeneolgy but cant find a record that matches their son james birth in ligoneil belfast around the time so i can find her surname. Edward shows in paper notice for his brother john but not dad in 1938.

sorry for confusing you all. I have been looking for alot of years to find details of the armstrongs of edenderry street weir steet to get further back but stuck at the father James armstrong 1862 or1857 ballymena to april 20 1938 belfast

James's age on his death cert fits with his age on 1911 census, so presumably born c1862.

1911 census says he's Presbyterian, while the rest of the family is Church of Ireland. (Just in case that turns out to be a helpful clue to anything!)

Party 1 Name MICHAEL MCBARRON
Party 2 Name SARAH ADDIS
Date of Event 13 April 1898
Group Registration ID 2342131
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
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From original -
Married in the Parish of St Mary's, Belfast
Michael 52 a widower Pensioner of 20 ?Pernan Street. Father ?Terrens McBArron
Sarah Ann 29 a Spinster. Mill worker of 20 ?Pernan street. Father robert Addis a Blacksmith

Married by licence. Michael signed, Sarah made her mark.
Witnesses - Mary Jane ?Scales and John ?Caivert

1901 census:

James Armstrong
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: James Armstrong
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Sancroft Street
District: Shankhill
County: Antrim
Household Members:
Name Age
James Armstrong 40 - Cementer of boats
Elizabeth Armstrong 37 - Glasgow
James Armstrong 18

MICHAEL MCBARRON
Date of Death 1901
Group Registration ID 3639207
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 54

From original -
died 15 January 1901 at 21 ?Pernan street
Aged 54
An Army Pensioner
Registered by widow Sarah Ann McBarron, present at death of Same address
Cause of death - Pneumonic Phthisis for 6 months and Gangrene of Lung for 30 days

I don't see a likely marriage for James and Elizabeth in or near Glasgow in a feasible year.

If Elizabeth's age of 37 in 1901 is correct, she was 19 when James junior was born, so would have to have married 1880-83 - assuming they married before James's birth..

Name ELIZABETH ARMSTRONG
Date of Death 1903
Group Registration ID 3613429
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 35

From original - died 15 January 1903 at 46 Weir Street
Wife of James Armstrong a Labourer
Cause of death - Bronchitis 21 days and Diarrhoea
Registered by James Armstrong Widower

1901 census suggests she was born c1864
Age at death suggests born c1868

Have you investigated this marriage ?



SR District/Reg Area - Belfast

Marriage of JAMES ARMSTRONG and ELIZA WILKINSON
on 28 August 1883

Party 1 Name JAMES ARMSTRONG
Party 2 Name ELIZA WILKINSON
Date of Event 28 August 1883
Group Registration ID 2144126
SR District/Reg Area Belfast


The bride's name is Eliza Jane Culbert, widow. Father's name: David Wilkinson, farmer.
The groom's father is William Armstrong, farmer.


Or this one (more likely because of Ligoneil connection) :

SR District/Reg Area - Belfast
Marriage of JAMES ARMSTRONG and ELIZA MARTIN
on 27 April 1883
Party 1 Name JAMES ARMSTRONG
Party 2 Name ELIZA MARTIN
Date of Event 27 April 1883
Group Registration ID 2236687
SR District/Reg Area Belfast

Fathers: James Armstrong, labourer, and Lewis Martin, blacksmith

Bride and groom both resident at Ligoneil at time of marriage. <<<<<<<<<<<<<

thank you all for helping. Micheal was 1st husband of Sarah i found she married james armstrong 1923 but used name barnes and not mcbarron. I dont know why all ages changes on census in 1901 sancroft st shows 40 for james a cementer shipyard and wifes 37 but on her death burial shows 35 which makes her 2 years younger. would orginal cementry records not have birth. I notice they wrote arnott as surname then crossed out and put armstrong on her city cementry grave record

My last post was at the same time as your last one, so you may not have noticed the marriage I posted, where both parties were resident at Ligoneil ??

Bride - Eliza Martin.

Just a possibility.

in titanic employees shows james armstrong 1912 weir st born 1881 engineer so if Eliza Martin may not be the marriage as in 1883 unless james born wrong. I have checked other one before but i know from marriage of James snr in think november 1923 to sarah his dad was James too.