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As I mentioned above, she claimed to be 22 in May 1907

Alice from above census?

JONES, ALICE JONES
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 687

and Elizabeth

JONES, ELIZABETH JONES
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 635

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CALEB
Last name JONES
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1851
Age 43
Death quarter 3
Death year 1894
District Dudley
County Staffordshire
Volume 6C
Page 36
Country England

Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
Jones Caleb Dudley 6c 34
Jones Rachel Dudley 6c 34
Jones Sarah Jane Dudley 6c 34
Smith Isaac Dudley 6c 34

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SARAH
Last name JONES
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1853
Age 44
Death quarter 3
Death year 1897
District Chesterfield
County Derbyshire
Volume 7B
Page 406
Country England

The son Ambrose from the 1881 census:

JONES, AMBROSE mms JONES
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 66

And daughter Ann M:

JONES, ANN MARIA mms JONES
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in WAKEFIELD UNION Volume 09C Page 13

Maddie, I think Sarah died 1890 or there abouts. Before the 1891 census at least.

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name St James
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 262
Marriage date 17 May 1869
Groom forename Caleb
Groom surname JONES
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Miner
Groom abode Dudley
Bride forename Sarah Jane
Bride surname JONES
Bride age 23
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Dudley
Groom father forename Isaac
Groom father surname JONES
Groom father occupation Miner
Bride father forename Ambrose
Bride father surname JONES
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness1 forename Isaac
Witness1 surname JONES
Witness2 forename Elizabeth
Witness2 surname JONES
Notes Bride & Witnesses sign X
Transcribed by Jean Langdell
File line number 262

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Jones Sarah Jane 44 Chesterfield 7b 492


1881 census says her birth year was 1846.

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Jones Sarah Jane 44 Chesterfield 7b 492

SARAH JANE
Last name JONES
Birth year 1846
Death year 1890
Age 44
Place Bolsover
County Derbyshire
Country England
Register entry -
Register office 393
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Death Index

Re the Ball births in Mansfield to 1918 -

A tree on Ancestry says Lucy M Ball 1918 was Lucy Mavis Ball, daughter of Joseph and Lucy.
She died in NSW in 2003.

Married in 1940 - the tree gives her husband's name, but not the marriage date:

Mavis Ball
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Mavis Ball
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1940
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Spouse: Jack Hage
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 2353



So in 1939 she's with her father and brother:

Joseph Ball
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Joseph Ball
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1883
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 177.Primrose Hill.Blackwell
Residence Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Occupation: Coll Rock Ripper (H W )
Schedule Number: 245
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: RCKE
Registration district: 438/7.
Household Members:
Name
Joseph Ball - 14 April 1883
Wilfred Ball - 12 Dec 1914
Mavis Ball

Joseph's calling himself married, not widowed, if that means anything - I know it's not a totally reliable clue.

1939
177 Primrose Hill , Blackwell R.D., Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Joseph Ball 14 Apr 1883 Male Coll Rock Ripper (Hw) Married 245 1
Wilfred Ball 12 Dec 1914 Male Textile Worker Bobbins Single 245 2
Mavis (Lucy) Hage (Ball) 20 Aug 1918 Female Domestic Housekeeper Single 245 3

A BIT OF A LONG SHOT

Ball Household (1 Person) 217 Primrose Hill , Blackwell R.D., Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Louisa Ball 05 Jul 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 285 1

STRANGELY LIVING IN THE SAME ROAD

I have my grandad here and I’m questioning him about Lucy.

She ended up in Pastures, and that was an actual asylum in mickleover Derby.

Pastures Hospital, Mickleover

1851-1993: registers, case books and minutes

Derbyshire Record Office

D1658

NRA 36913 Pastures
2
1997-2007: corresp and misc papers

Derbyshire Record Office

D6803/1-5

3
1908-1954: daily report books, 1908, 1936, 1954

Derbyshire Record Office

D7127

I'll give them a phonecall on monday and see if I can arrange a visit

good luck i hope you find something
maddie

I believe the patient records for Pastures Hospital are now held at Kingsway Hospital.

Below is a link to info telling you how to request the patient records:

http://www.derbyshirehealthcareft.nhs.uk/contact-us/patient-requests/

According to the newspaper article re the deceased baby dated June 1942 - it says that Lucy had been in Mickleover Mental hospital for around 25 years at that time so we know she was still in there then.

Dea x

So she may have been admitted to the mental hospital after the birth of the last baby born in 1918

Explains why that's the last birth after having children almost every year before then

Mickleover is shardlow reg district

This is the only death record

Deaths Sep 1965
BALL LUCY M 80 Shardlow 3a 374

Age is about right born c1885

If Minnie Jones, who is one of Caleb's children in 1891 census, and whose birth I can't find, is actually Lucy ("pet" name ?), perhaps this is her in 1939 ??

Minnie Ball
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Minnie Ball
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 1885
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Mickleover County Hospital
Residence Place: Repton, Derbyshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 11
Sub Schedule Number: 30
OVSPI: Patient
Enumeration District: RCUT
Registration district: 434-1