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I will update the post now Dea! Thanks for the advice!

Hi Eleanor,

I have just seen your post on that site...

May I suggest that you also tell people on there that she was still in there in 1942 and may well have died in there around 1965?

I think initially if people just see that she went in in 1918 they will think that as it was over 100 years ago they will be unable to help as they weren't around then but I have seen fron the posts that some of those people were there in the 50's and 60's so they will perhaps think further ?

Dea x

Best of luck!! - Let me know how you get on.......

Dea x

Thank you Dea, just waiting for them to hopefully accept my join request x

While I was searching I came across a facebook page called "Pastures Hospital Appreciation Society"

Many of the members of the page appear to have very long associations with the hospital - most of them seem to have worked there at some stage and could well have been around when your Lucy was there. Someone may just remember her - after all, if she arrived around 1917/1918 and probably died there around 1965, that is something like 46 / 47 years so surely people must remember 'Minnie' (Lucy).

You can join their 'group' here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/45881681438/search/?query=kingsway%20hospital&epa=SEARCH_BOX

Dea x

How fascinating! This has really helped me and I’m very grateful to all of you. I have a few different threads to pull now.

Maybe that's the right death too then as she was known as Minnie

Lucy M could be Lucy Minnie if that what the informant thought Her name was

Clever Girl AG - I do believe that's her !! ;-) :-)

Dea x

If Minnie Jones, who is one of Caleb's children in 1891 census, and whose birth I can't find, is actually Lucy ("pet" name ?), perhaps this is her in 1939 ??

Minnie Ball
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Minnie Ball
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 1885
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Mickleover County Hospital
Residence Place: Repton, Derbyshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 11
Sub Schedule Number: 30
OVSPI: Patient
Enumeration District: RCUT
Registration district: 434-1

Mickleover is shardlow reg district

This is the only death record

Deaths Sep 1965
BALL LUCY M 80 Shardlow 3a 374

Age is about right born c1885

So she may have been admitted to the mental hospital after the birth of the last baby born in 1918

Explains why that's the last birth after having children almost every year before then

I believe the patient records for Pastures Hospital are now held at Kingsway Hospital.

Below is a link to info telling you how to request the patient records:

http://www.derbyshirehealthcareft.nhs.uk/contact-us/patient-requests/

According to the newspaper article re the deceased baby dated June 1942 - it says that Lucy had been in Mickleover Mental hospital for around 25 years at that time so we know she was still in there then.

Dea x

good luck i hope you find something
maddie

I'll give them a phonecall on monday and see if I can arrange a visit

Pastures Hospital, Mickleover

1851-1993: registers, case books and minutes

Derbyshire Record Office

D1658

NRA 36913 Pastures
2
1997-2007: corresp and misc papers

Derbyshire Record Office

D6803/1-5

3
1908-1954: daily report books, 1908, 1936, 1954

Derbyshire Record Office

D7127

I have my grandad here and I’m questioning him about Lucy.

She ended up in Pastures, and that was an actual asylum in mickleover Derby.

1939
177 Primrose Hill , Blackwell R.D., Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Joseph Ball 14 Apr 1883 Male Coll Rock Ripper (Hw) Married 245 1
Wilfred Ball 12 Dec 1914 Male Textile Worker Bobbins Single 245 2
Mavis (Lucy) Hage (Ball) 20 Aug 1918 Female Domestic Housekeeper Single 245 3

A BIT OF A LONG SHOT

Ball Household (1 Person) 217 Primrose Hill , Blackwell R.D., Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Louisa Ball 05 Jul 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 285 1

STRANGELY LIVING IN THE SAME ROAD

Re the Ball births in Mansfield to 1918 -

A tree on Ancestry says Lucy M Ball 1918 was Lucy Mavis Ball, daughter of Joseph and Lucy.
She died in NSW in 2003.

Married in 1940 - the tree gives her husband's name, but not the marriage date:

Mavis Ball
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Mavis Ball
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1940
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Spouse: Jack Hage
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 2353



So in 1939 she's with her father and brother:

Joseph Ball
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Joseph Ball
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1883
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 177.Primrose Hill.Blackwell
Residence Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Occupation: Coll Rock Ripper (H W )
Schedule Number: 245
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: RCKE
Registration district: 438/7.
Household Members:
Name
Joseph Ball - 14 April 1883
Wilfred Ball - 12 Dec 1914
Mavis Ball

Joseph's calling himself married, not widowed, if that means anything - I know it's not a totally reliable clue.

SARAH JANE
Last name JONES
Birth year 1846
Death year 1890
Age 44
Place Bolsover
County Derbyshire
Country England
Register entry -
Register office 393
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Death Index

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Jones Sarah Jane 44 Chesterfield 7b 492