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if we could find mary on the 1841 then we could see if she was living with anyone i.e. parents or thomas melling ?

Linda

Chris Ho

you are correct it is 1869

thank you

Think you mean 1869 Marriage for John Winstanley/Elizabeth Melling...not 1883 as posted)

(her Father, Robert Melling, his, Thomas Melling (Deceased)

Chris :)

(A Burial for below, (25th May) Age 75, Kitt Green, Pemberton)

Deaths Jun 1865 (>99%)
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Melling Thomas Wigan 8c 67


1861 (Reference) (age for Thomas, would say 70)
Thomas Melling Head Married Male 30 1831 Pauper Nothing Orrell, Lancashire, England
Paul (Jane) Winstanley Granddaughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Weaver Orrell, Lancashire, England
Mary J Winstanley Granddaughter - Female 4 1857 - Orrell, Lancashire, England
Thomas Winstanley Grandson - Male 0 1861 - Orrell, Lancashire, England
John Winstanley Grandson Unmarried Male 19 1842 Colliery Labourer Orrell, Lancashire, England
Thomas Winstanley Son Unmarried Male 14 1847 Colliery Labourer Orrell, Lancashire, England
Kitt Green, Orrell, Wigan, Lancashire

Maddie, the burial you found for Mary could be this lady.


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Goose Green, Pemberton, Wigan, Lancashire, England

William Winstanley Head - Male 42 1829 - Lancashire, England
>>Mary Winstanley Wife - Female 53 1818 - Lancashire, England
George Winstanley Son - Male 20 1851 - Lancashire, England
Peter Winstanley Son - Male 18 1853 - Lancashire, England
Ann Winstanley Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Lancashire, England

Maddie thank you.
His son thomas is defo in the frame for being the father if Jane, john, and Thomas

This may be his death, that is if he died before 1861 and there is nothing to say he did.


MELLING, THOMAS 42
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 51

Burial: 25 Mar 1857 St Thomas the Martyr, Upholland, Lancashire, England
Thomas Melling -
Age: 42
Abode: Pemberton
Register: Burials 1847 - 1961, Page 276, Entry 2204
Source: LDS Film 1657555

in 1861 he was a pauper
burial: 25 May 1865 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Melling -
Age: 75 years
Abode: Kitt Green Pemberton
Notes: Pauper
Buried by: A Coates
Register: Burials 1832 - 1866, Page 200, Entry 1954
Source: LDS Film 1885639a paup

urial: 9 Jun 1879 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Mary Winstanley -
Age: 62
Abode: Goose Green Pemberton
Buried by: Jno. Wood
Register: Burials 1874 - 1882, Page 180, Entry 1439
Source: LDS Film 1885640
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Possible for Thomas Melling in 1851. Note he has a son around Mary's age.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Kil Green, Orrell, Wigan, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Winnard Head Widow Female 76 1775 Weaver's Widow Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Winnard Daughter Unmarried Female 44 1807 Waver Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Alice Winnard Daughter - Female 15 1836 Waver Pemberton, Lancashire, England
James Winnard Son - Male 11 1840 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Betty Gaskel Lodger Widow Female 82 1769 Weavers Widow Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Milling Lodger Widower Male 60 1791 Waver Orrell, Lancashire, England
Thomas Milling Lodger Unmarried Male 34 1817 Collery Lab Orrell, Lancashire, England




1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Kitt Green, Wigan, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Mary Winnerd Female 65 1776 Lancashire, England
Marget Winnerd Female 35 1806 Lancashire, England
James Winnerd Male 0 1841 Lancashire, England
Jane Darbyshire Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England
Ellen Darbyshire Female 0 1841 Lancashire, England
Thomas Melling Male 45 1796 Lancashire, England
Thomas Melling Male 20 1821 Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Gaskell Female 71 1770 Lancashire, England
Alice Winnerd Female 5 1836 Lancashire, England

It has Jane and her 2 children and John and Thomas Winstanley
It says the Thomas Melling is their Grandfather

Name: Thomas Melling
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: 1791
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Orrell, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Orrell
Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Piece: 2783
Folio: 96
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Melling 70
JANE Winstanley 22
Mary J Winstanley 4
Thomas Winstanley 6/12
JOHN Winstanley 19
THOMAS Winstanley 14

for ref
in the 1861 England Census
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Name: Jane Winstanley
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: 1839
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Orrell, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Orrell
Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 110
Piece: 2783
Folio: 96
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Melling 70
Jane Winstanley 22
Mary J Winstanley 4
Thomas Winstanley 6/12
John Winstanley 19
Thomas Winstanley 14

Baptism: 31 May 1857 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Mary Jane Winstanley - 1st Daur of Jane Winstanley
Born: 25 Oct 1856
Abode: Kitt Green Pemberton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: A Coates
Register: Baptisms 1832 - 1860, Page 138, Entry 1988
Source: LDS Film 1885635

Baptism: 11 Aug 1861 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
John Thomas Winstanley - 2nd Son of Jane Winstanley
Born: 25 Nov 1861 [sic]
Abode: Kitt Green Orrell
Occupation: Farm laborer
Baptised by: A. Coates
Register: Baptisms 1860 - 1879, Page 31, Entry 243
Source: LDS Film 1885635

Baptism: 11 Aug 1861 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
John Thomas Winstanley - 2nd Son of Jane Winstanley
Born: 25 Nov 1861 [sic]
Abode: Kitt Green Orrell
Occupation: Farm laborer
Baptised by: A. Coates
Register: Baptisms 1860 - 1879, Page 31, Entry 243
Source: LDS Film 1885635

not that it helps with 1841 census

1861 for our reference. Thomas could be a widower, it's hard to tell.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Kitt Green, Orrell, Wigan, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Melling Head Married Male 30 (should be 70) 1831 Pauper Nothing Orrell, Lancashire, England
Paul (should read Jane) Winstanley Granddaughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Weaver Orrell, Lancashire, England
Mary J Winstanley Granddaughter - Female 4 1857 - Orrell, Lancashire, England
Thomas Winstanley Grandson - Male 0 1861 6 months Orrell, Lancashire, England
John Winstanley Grandson Unmarried Male 19 1842 Colliery Labourer Orrell, Lancashire, England
Thomas Winstanley ??Son ?? Unmarried Male 14 1847 Colliery Labourer Orrell, Lancashire, England



Baptism: 31 May 1857 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Mary Jane Winstanley - 1st Daur of Jane Winstanley
Born: 25 Oct 1856
Abode: Kitt Green Pemberton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: A Coates
Register: Baptisms 1832 - 1860, Page 138, Entry 1988
Source: LDS Film 1885635


Baptism: 11 Aug 1861 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
John Thomas Winstanley - 2nd Son of Jane Winstanley
Born: 25 Nov 1861 [sic]
Abode: Kitt Green Orrell
Occupation: Farm laborer
Baptised by: A. Coates
Register: Baptisms 1860 - 1879, Page 31, Entry 243
Source: LDS Film 1885635

So thomas melling might have been their " unofficial father "
No marriage of mary winstanley to a thomas melling .

Marriage: 9 Oct 1869 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
John Winstanley - (X), 24, Laborer at Colliery, Bachelor, Kitt Green, Orrell
Elizabeth Melling - (X), 22, Rover in Cotton Mill, Spinster, Kitt Green, Pemberton
Groom's Father: Thomas Winstanley, Laborer (deceased)
Bride's Father: Robert Melling, Engine tenter at Colliery
Witness: Peter Gaskell; Ann Davies, (X)
Married by Banns by: Thomas Evans, Curate
Register: Marriages 1859 - 1870, Page 244, Entry 487
Source: LDS Film 1885637


Marriage: 4 Nov 1883 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Winstanley - (X), 35, Collier, Bachelor, Kitt Green, Orrell
Mary Jane Turner - 25, Spinster, Kitt Green, Orrell
Groom's Father: Thomas Melling, (deceased)
Bride's Father: Thomas Silcock, (deceased)
Witness: Mark Mcgrath; Elizabeth Mcgrath
Married by Certificate by: H. Mitchell
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1885, Page 189, Entry 378
Source: LDS Film 1885637

Catherine

That makes more sense

Thank you

PROBLY NOT, LIVING WITH A FAMILY CALLED DOWNHAM

1841

Name: Jane Winstandley
[Jane Winstanley]
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Pemberton
Neighbors:
Piece: 522
Book: 14
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Winstandley 2
Thomas Houghton 5

Ancestry gives date of birth on above baptism as 1839

Name: Jane Winstanley
Birth Date: 10 Oct 1839
Baptism Date: 1 Jun 1840
Parish: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Wigan' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Mother: Mary Winstanley
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Reference Number: Drl/2/508

if we could find Mary with these children on the 1841 census it might help

thanks
linda

not sure about Thomas 1834 and William 1837 as i have nothing before 1851
I have a thomas but he was born in 1847

I am sure there is something strange with the baptism for Jane as she was baptised 5 years after her birth ???

Do below relate?...

Chris :)

Baptism: 23 Feb 1834 St Thomas the Martyr, Upholland, Lancashire, England
Thomas Winstanley - illegitimate son of Mary Winstanley
Abode: Orrell
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Jno. Bird
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1841, Entry 1381
Source: LDS Film 1657546

Baptism: 26 Feb 1837 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Winstanley - 1st. Son of Mary Winstanley
Born: 30 Sep 1836
Abode: Orrell
Baptised by: J. K. Glazebrook
Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1838, Page 65, Entry 520
Source: LDS Film 1885678

Baptism: 1 Jun 1840 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Jane Winstanley - Daur. of Mary Winstanley
Born: 10 Oct 1835
Abode: Orrell
Baptised by: J. K. Glazebrook Curate
Register: Baptisms 1838 - 1842, Page 152, Entry 1216
Source: LDS Film 1885679

Baptism: 8 Jul 1844 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Winstanley - Son of Mary Winstanley
Born: 6 Jun
Abode: Orrell
Baptised by: John Lomas Curate
Register: Baptisms 1842 - 1845, Page 271, Entry 2162
Source: LDS Film 1885679


1851 (Reference)
Mary Winstanly Head Unmarried Female 35 1816 Waver (Weaver) Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Jane Winstanly Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England
John Winstanly Son - Male 7 1844 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Winstanly Son - Male 4 1847 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England
City, Orrell, Wigan, Lancashire


Birth
WINSTANLEY, JANE -
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in WIGAN UNION LANCASHIRE Volume 21 Page 725

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Mary
Last name Winstanley
Gender Female
Birth year 1814
Birth place Pemberton
Baptism year 1815
Baptism date 06 Jan 1815
Residence Wigan, Lancashire, England
Place Wigan
County Lancashire
Country England

Baptism: 6 Jan 1815 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Mary Winstanley - 1 Daur. of James Winstanley & Margaret
Born: 21 Nov 1814
Abode: Pemberton
Occupation: Warper
Baptised by: T. Pigot
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1816, Page 181, Entry 1445
Source: LDS Film 1885676
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Winstanley
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name Winstanley