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Option 1. Marriage to Mary Ann Holmes would mean Thomas' Father was George.

Option 2. Take the baptism record for Thomas Spencer of 1825, Father would also be Thomas Spencer with Mother Elizabeth and no marriage record for the parents that I can find.

Thanks

What I have (going backwards is)

Vera Haycock born 1915 (Looking at Spencer Ancestors)

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Harriet Spencer (Great Grandma) born 1875 marries John Haycock (Great Grandad) - Coventry.

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Parents Thomas Spencer born 1852 Marries Elizabeth Ann Cakebread (Hannah) Coventry.

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Parent - Thomas Spencer born 1803 Coventry marries???? Elizabeth or as above. Looking to back these up please with records. If we have any further sets of parents going back, this would be great thanks!

Everything so far is birth and marriage =Coventry.

If you disagree with any of these going backwards please let me know and let me know the source you rely on. This is not to be awkward, it's just to try and get something as definitive as possible.

Thanks Ever So Much :-)

So this is Thomas, son of Thomas and Mary Ann Holmes.



England & Wales Births 1837-2006

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name SPENCER
Birth year 1852
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Holmes
District Coventry
County Warwickshire




1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

2, East Street, Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England


Thomas Spencer Head Married Male 36 1825 Silk Ribbon Weaver Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Mary Ann Spencer Wife Married Female 35 1826 Silk Ribbon Weaver Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Emma Spencer Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1850 Silk Filler Coventry, Warwickshire, England
>>Thomas Spencer Son Unmarried Male 9 1852 Loom Turner Coventry, Warwickshire, England
William Henry Spencer Son - Male 3 1858 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
John Spencer Son - Male 0 1861 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

East Street, Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Thomas Spencer Head - Male 46 1825 - Warwickshire, England
Mary Ann Spencer Wife - Female 45 1826 - Warwickshire, England
Thomas Spencer Son - Male 19 1852 watchmaker Warwickshire, England
William H Spencer Son - Male 13 1858 - Warwickshire, England
John Spencer Son - Male 10 1861 - Warwickshire, England
Eliza Spencer Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Warwickshire, England
James Spencer Son - Male 0 1871 - Warwickshire, England



and after his marriage.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

60, Leicester Street, Coventry Holy Trinity (With St Peter), Coventry, Warwickshire, England

>>Thomas Spencer Head Married Male 29 1852 Watch Finisher Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Hannah Spencer Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Mary Ann Spencer Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Harriett Spencer Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Coventry, Warwickshire, England
William T Spencer Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Lizzie Spencer Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England

What do you make of the other potential Father Thomas? Thanks

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First name(s) Thomas
Last name Spencer
Birth year -
Baptism year 1825
Baptism date 11 Apr 1825
Denomination Anglican
Place Coventry, St Michael
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Spencer
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence St Michales
Father's occupation Weaver
County Warwickshire
Country England
Document type Parish registers
Archive
Warwickshire County Record Office
Archive reference DR0090/15
Event Baptisms
Page 267
Records year range 1819-1825

THOMAS
Last name SPENCER
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1847
Mary Ann Holmes

thomas with father goerge

Thomas
Last name Spencer
Birth year -
Baptism year 1824
Baptism date 05 Jan 1824
Denomination Anglican
Place Coventry, St Michael
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Spencer
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Residence St Michales
Father's occupation Weaver
County Warwickshire
Country England
Document type Parish registers
Archive
Warwickshire County Record Office
Archive reference DR0090/15
Event Baptisms
Page 205
Records year range 1819-1825

Thomas 1825, who you are asking about. He is a weaver's app.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Agnes Lane, Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

James Ward Male 38 1803 Warwickshire, England
Ann Ward Female 42 1799 Warwickshire, England
David Ward Male 19 1822 Warwickshire, England
Ann Ward Female 11 1830 Warwickshire, England
Sarah Ward Female 10 1831 Warwickshire, England
Harriett Ward Female 8 1833 Warwickshire, England
Thomas Spencer Male 16 1825 Warwickshire, England
William Porter Male 23 1818 Warwickshire, England
William Hill Male 23 1818 Warwickshire, England




1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Brick Kiln Lane, St Michaels, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Thomas Spencer Head Married Male 26 1825 Ribbon Weaver Hand Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Mary Ann Spencer Wife Married Female 25 1826 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Ann Spencer Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Emma Spencer Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
>>Mary Ann Spencer Sister Unmarried Female 22 1829 Shute Filler Coventry, Warwickshire, England


May be worth looking for his sister's baptism record.

???

Warwickshire Baptisms

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Spencer
Birth year -
Baptism year 1829
Baptism date 13 Jul 1829
Denomination Anglican
Place Coventry, St Michael
>>Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Spencer
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Residence St Michaels
Father's occupation Weaver

Warwickshire Baptisms

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Spencer
Birth year -
Baptism year 1824
Baptism date 05 Jan 1824
Denomination Anglican
Place Coventry, St Michael
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Spencer
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Residence St Michales
Father's occupation Weaver
County Warwickshire
Country England



Warwickshire Baptisms

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Spencer
Birth year -
Baptism year 1825
Baptism date 11 Apr 1825
Denomination Anglican
Place Coventry, St Michael
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Spencer
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence St Michales
Father's occupation Weaver
County Warwickshire

More daughters of George and Ann:

Sarah Spencer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Sarah Spencer
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Nov 1821
Christening Date (Original): 12 NOV 1821
Christening Place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Spencer
Mother's Name: Ann


Eliza Spencer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eliza Spencer
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Jul 1815
Christening Date (Original): 10 JUL 1815
Christening Place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Spencer
Mother's Name: Ann



And therefore, Ann with daughters in 1841 ??

Mary Spencer
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Mary Spencer
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
Hundred: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
Neighbors:
Piece: 1153
Book: 5
Folio: 26
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Spencer 26 - silk winder
Ann Spencer 40
Sarah Spencer 18
Mary Spencer 12
Mary Spencer 6 Mo
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Birth of 6-month-old Mary ??

SPENCER, MARY ANN -
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in THE CITY OF COVENTRY Volume 16 Page 338

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Spencer
Sex Male
Marital status Single
Residence Chauntry Place
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 28 Feb 1847
Marriage place Coventry, Holy Trinity
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann
Spouse's last name Holmes
Spouse's sex Female
Spouse's marital status Single
Spouse's residence Cook Street
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Spencer
Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel
Spouse's father's last name Holmes
County Warwickshire
Country England

That 1841 you posted AG with an address. Thomas is the same address in 1841.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Agnes Lane, Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Eliza Spencer Female 26 1815 Warwickshire, England
Ann Spencer Female 40 1801 Warwickshire, England
Sarah Spencer Female 18 1823 Warwickshire, England
Mary Spencer Female 12 1829 Warwickshire, England
Mary Spencer Female 0 1841 Warwickshire, England

Another couple of sons of George and Ann:

George Spencer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: George Spencer
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Nov 1817
Christening Date (Original): 07 NOV 1817
Christening Place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Spencer
Mother's Name: Ann


Henry Spencer
England, Warwickshire, Parish Registers, 1535-1963
Name: Henry Spencer
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 29 Apr 1828
Event Place: St Michael, Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: George Spencer
Mother's Name: Ann Spencer

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Just a thought for their marriage.

First name(s) George
Last name Spencer
Name note -
Marriage year 1815
Marriage date 23 Jan 1815
Marriage place Coventry
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Eaves
County Warwickshire

Snap, Alviegal!


???

Ann Eaves
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Ann Eaves
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Dec 1799
Christening Date (Original): 01 DEC 1799
Christening Place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Charles Eaves
Mother's Name: Ann

a lot of this posted on thread of 12th dec

All done before. More than once

Hang on - thanks for this but what often happens is people post a lot of census information rather than actually entering into correspondence on the question. It's not my fault if the same pile of census information lands....

I'm still none the wiser on the original question? Two Thomas' which one?

Thanks though.

????

Census Year County Place Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1891 Warwickshire (WAR) Atherstone Grendon All Saints 2442 10 150 22 128 -
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
HOLMES Sarah Annie Head W F 58 Living On Own Means MDX London
SPENCER Harriet Elizabeth Servnt S F 14 Srvnt Dom WAR Atherstone

Thomas, you have so many threads about Spencer family that it is no wonder you are confused. Everyone else justs gets confused too which is why Genes has the rule that you should only post one thread about each family.

You really need to stick to one thread and as far as I can see going backwards from your grandparents then the Thomas Spencer who marries Mary Ann Holmes is the correct family and this parish marriage record confirms that his father is George, so the 1825 baptism can't be him. Much more likely that the date of birth on the census is out by a year and the baptism of Thomas in 1824 with father George and mother Ann is the right one.

Only you can decide if this is right and the more times you ask the more opinions you will get.

Kath. x

Thanks for this. I should really say - "Strictly no census pastes" - I can appreciate that people are trying to be helpful but if someone has access to Ancestry, they will have access to census records anyway.

The Spencer family is incredibly large and i've been researching them for a considerable amount of time. I've always tried to garner consensus. Without posts about different branches and generations, it's very difficult for people to be able to get the information that they need, furthermore, when new information comes to light and brings old information into dispute, it makes sense not to comment on an age old post that will not garner replies - on forums across the board, old posts do not attract new responses and it's general ettiquete to open a new post on a new subject hence my approach.

Thanks everyone.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1380841

Plus countless others about assorted Spencers, which is contrary to site guidelines