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also included is--dated 24/5/1918.

Wifes name and maiden name---Amelia ----mn Cooper.!

BELSHAW, REGINALD FRANKENBURG
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in ULVERSTON Volume 08E Page 1362

BELSHAW, GEOFFREY FRANKENBURG
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in ULVERSTON Volume 08E Page 1362

BELSHAW, TERENCE COOPER
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 148


These are mentioned as the children of Reginald Fairclough Belshaw on his Army service record.

There is a copy of a letter written by Esther on notepaper headed 'The Prince of Wales Hotel', Southport stating that she was Esther Amelia Belshaw formerly Frankenburg, she was a widow and this was her 2nd marriage (2 Aug 1913) Her children were Ralph Frankenburg (by 1st husband) 1 May 1910, Reginald and Geoffrey Belshaw, twins 15 Aug 1913 and Terence 12 Jan 1917. She signed A Belshaw. This is in response to a letter dated 22 Mar 1918 from the Records Office asking for a copy of her MC and BCs for any children.

Another piece written 18 June 1918 states he has 4 children, all boys, last one born 5 Nov 1917.

Many thanks for all your help.A few good lines of enquiry to explore there.

Frank Franken
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Frank Franken
Publication Year: 1908
Address: East Gates coffee
Residence Place: Leicestershire, Rutland, England
Occupation: Manager


Frank Franken
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Frank Franken
Publication Year: 1909
Address: East Gates coffee
Residence Place: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Occupation: Manager


Frank Franken
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Frank Franken
Publication Year: 1911
Residence Place: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Occupation: proprietor Waverley Temperance


Frank Franken
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Frank Franken
Publication Year: 1912
Residence Place: Leicestershire, Rutland, England
Occupation: proprietor Waverley Temperance

Re the suggestion that Frank might have been married to someone else -

just posting because of similar name, occupation , birthplace, and Lancashire marriage - though absolutely NO solid reason to think this might be the same man:


Frank Franken
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frank Franken
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Germany <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Town Hall Lane Leicester
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Hotel Proprietor (temperance) <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration District: Leicester
Registration District Number: 407
Sub-registration District: South Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 19289
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Franken 36
Sophie Franken 30 - Leeds
Leslie Franken 7 - Manchester
Margarie Franken 1 - Leicester
Silian Franken 21 - servant [ Lilian Statham on image - mistranscribed ]
Mand Hardley 25 - servant
Janies Kirpatrick 56 - visitor
Fred Clarrk 36 - visitor



Marriages Sep 1902
Franken Frank Chorlton 8c 1600
Goldston Sophia Gertrude Chorlton 8c 1600
Goldston Sophie Gertrude Chorlton 8c 1600


FRANKEN, FRANCIS LESLIE mmn GOLDSTONE
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 899

FRANKEN, MARJORIE mmn GOLDSTON
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 272


Marjorie's death:

Deaths Mar 1928 (>99%)
Franken Marjorie 20 London C. 1c 4


Another child:

Birth:
FRANKEN, REGINALD ANTHONY mmn GOLDSTONE
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 814

Death:
FRANKEN, REGINALD ANTHONY 2
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 172


If Frank and Sophie were together constantly, the children's birth dates rule out his being aka Frankenburg - but if he occasionally popped back to Lancashire/Cheshire. . . . . ?
Just a thought!

Sophia/Sophie was a hotel book-keeper before marriage:

Sophia Goldstone
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sophia Goldstone
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Simon Goldstone
Mother: Rebecca Goldstone
Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Leeds
Sub-registration District: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Piece: 4228
Folio: 26
Page Number: 27
Household Schedule Number: 165
Household Members:
Name Age
Simon Goldstone 60 - tailor
Rebecca Goldstone 58
Rose Goldstone 30
Jennie Goldstone 24
Sophia Goldstone 22 - hotel book-keeper
Reuben Goldstone 19
Florrie Goldstone 15
Cissie Goldstone 8


Frank Franken may have been a tailor in 1901 - hard to tell from the image:

Frank Franken
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Frank Franken
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Germany
Civil Parish: St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Broad Street
Occupation:
Registration District: Westminster
Sub-registration District: St James, Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors:
Piece: 98
Folio: 107
Page Number: 21
Household Schedule Number: 702


I don't see Frank & Sophie, nor Francis Leslie, after 1911.

There's an F Franken in the Pioneer Corps, 1940-45 - but the records are on Fold3, so I can't see if that's Francis Leslie or not.
No sign of him on 1939 Register.

I repeat........who registered the birth/?

When she married mr Belshaw what did she give as her marital status

On Ralphs birth certificate it has Frank as a Hotel Chef.

yFrank Frankenburg
United States Census, 1880


Name:
Frank Frankenburg
•
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1880
•
Event Place:
Winnebago, Illinois, United States
•
Event Place (Original):
Winnebago, IL
Gender:
Male
Age:
18
Marital Status:
Single
Race:
White
Race (Original):
W
Occupation:
Farm Servant
Birth Year (Estimated):
1862
Birthplace:
Wisconsin, United States
•
Father's Birthplace:
Germany
Mother's Birthplace:
Germany
Relationship
W. G. Hicks Self Male 35 England
Hattie Hicks Wife Female 34 Canada
Lizzie Hicks Daughter Female 13 Illinois, United States
Charles Hicks Son Male 5 Illinois, United States
Howard Hicks Son Male 2 Illinois, United States
Frank Frankenburg Other Male 18 Wisconsin, United States

could frank have gone to germany

Ivy's children were registered with MMN of Patterson, the surname of the family who had taken her in 1911.

Rose

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1927

HUNTRISS John PATTERSON Ivy Rosamund 1927 Lancaster, Christ Church Preston CE9/6/241

Ancestry
Name: Ivy B Frankenburg
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927
Registration District: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Huntress

1939

97 Ryelands Road, Lancaster, Lancaster M.B., Lancashire, England
John Huntriss 29 Sep 1906 Male Process Worker Textile Dying Married 270 1
Ivy R Huntriss 08 Aug 1907 Female Cotton Heavy Married 270 2

TWO closed records

First name(s) Ivy Rosamond
Last name Huntriss
Gender Female
Birth day 9
Birth month 8
Birth year 1909
Death quarter 2
Death year 1994
District Lancaster
District number 5871C
Register number C47B
Entry number 062
Date of registration mm/yy 0594

Your uncle reverted to his birth name

Name: Ralph Frankenburg
Death Age: 93
Birth Date: 1 May 1910
Registration Date: Oct 2003
Registration District: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Register Number: E50C
District and Subdistrict: 394/1E
Entry Number: 216

As you have the address at which Ralph was born, can we assume you have the birth cert?

If so, what was the father's recorded occupation?

And who registered the birth?

CHEERS everyone for your help.Quite a bit of new info there regarding Esthers family. Frank remains a mystery at the moment?

Twins born the same quarter she married using MMN Frankenburg.

Do you know Christine? She has a lot of these names in her tree on here. She also has a Ralph Frankenburg born in Germany in 1870.

Rose

She does also claim in 1911 to be a German citizen by marriage, but I don’t imagine it would have been verified.

She married Belshaw in 1913 - what did she say about her ‘status’?

Perhaps Esther and Frank just lived together because one or other of them was already married to someone else

Kath. x

In 1911, she claims to have been married for 3 years and have had two children - both alive. Also gives her birthplace as London

Only one marriage on freebmd for Esther Amelia Cooper - not to anyone named Frankenburg

Esther's parent's marriage ( so Esther was illegitimate and parents married much later):-

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Cooper
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1927
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

Samuel Cooper married one of these people

Rose E Forder

Spouse's last name Forder
District Birkenhead
District number -
County Cheshire
Country England
Volume 8A
Volume as transcribed 8A
Page number 1481
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x