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Jean

Jean Report 24 Feb 2021 18:48

Looking for anything on two sisters Mary a nee budd married John h Mayes and Ruth budd married Charles Fullerton in 1911 both Hartlepool did they have children thank you

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Feb 2021 18:56

To find if they had children look at freebmd using the surnames

By 1939 one would expect any children to have moved on

When were these people born?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Feb 2021 19:01

If you’d checked freebmd, you’d have found that Ruth died in 1935

Jean

Jean Report 24 Feb 2021 19:06

I have tried on free bmd but couldn’t see anything but thank you for letting me know of her death

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Feb 2021 19:06

Where did you find the marriage for Mary? I can’t see one

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Feb 2021 19:09

John Henry Mayes married a Mary Ann Picknell in 1895

No other marriage in Hartlepool for his name

Jean

Jean Report 24 Feb 2021 19:16

Picknell was her mother’s maiden name but Joseph budd was her father her parents married in Hartlepool st James church

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Feb 2021 19:19

Ruths’ son is on 1939 - unmarried. Find his birth on freebmd - there’s only one

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Feb 2021 19:20

If you want people to look for the other couple, tell us when they were born

safc

safc Report 24 Feb 2021 19:27

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

27, Bedford Street, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Budd Head Married Male 52 1829 Sailor Littlehampton, Sussex, England
Eliza Budd Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Chalvington, Sussex, England
Harriett Budd Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Hartlepool, Durham, England
Mary A Budd Daughter Single Female 6 1875 - Worthing, Sussex, England
Eliza E Budd Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Hartlepool, Durham, England
Ruth A Budd Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Hartlepool, Durham, England

Jean

Jean Report 24 Feb 2021 19:33

Thank you for letting me know Ruth had a son the other couple was Mary and Charles Mayes I will try again on free bmd .

Jean

Jean Report 24 Feb 2021 19:38

Thank you yes that is my budd family

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Feb 2021 08:34

You need to use the GRO site to look for Mayes births. They married in 1895 - freebmd doesn’t show MMN on births until late 1911
Or look at 1901 and 1911 censuses

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Jean

Jean Report 25 Feb 2021 09:40

Thank you for your help these sisters where my grandmothers half sisters There was three of them I did go back on free bmd and still had no luck I really appreciate your advice thank you

Jean

Jean Report 25 Feb 2021 09:40

Thank you for your help these sisters where my grandmothers half sisters There was three of them I did go back on free bmd and still had no luck I really appreciate your advice thank you

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Feb 2021 10:12

In 1901, they had Elsie John and Ernest
By 1911, they had added Doris, Frank, Winifred and Miriam, and Ernest had died.

Find the records yourself now on freebmd

As a matter of info, the MMN was PICKNELL,the name she used when she married, so Mary’s father was NOT Budd. Find her birth yourself under the name PICKNELL

Jean

Jean Report 25 Feb 2021 10:45

Once again thank you you have been a great help much appreciated

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 25 Feb 2021 11:43

Have you found a baptism for Mary Ann?

Maybe her father will be named there..?

I searched for someone in my extended family, shown with the family surname and living with them as their daughter in 1891 census.
Her age suggested that she was born before their marriage, but I couldn't find her birth ( b. 1882 ) in her father's surname or that of his wife before marriage.

It turned out that she was the child of another mother entirely and was registered under HER surname, as her parents weren't married. Sadly, the child's mother died soon after the birth.
No man was shown in the father column, but luckily for me, Edward ( shown as her father in 1891 census) registered the birth and gave his status as father.

Although the child was brought up as Edward's daughter, when she married it was in her birth name.... and strangely no name shown for her father, although his sister was one of the witnesses.

Sometimes you have to explore all clues to get the information you need.

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Feb 2021 11:57

1939

54 Malton Street, Hartlepool, Hartlepool M.B., Durham, England
John H Mayes 24 Jul 1874 Male Shipyard Joiner Married 222 1
Mary A Mayes 12 Sep 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 222 2
Frank Mayes 16 Dec 1905 Male Chemical Works Labourer Single 222 3
Hilda Watt (Mayes) 08 Oct 1912 Female Shop Assistant Confectionery Single 222 4
Eveline M Marsden (James,Poole,Mayes) 03 Nov 1918 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 222 5

1911
54 Malton St Hartlepool, Throston, Durham, England
John Henry Mayes Head Married Male 36 1875 Ship Joiner Durham Hartlepool
Mary Ann Mayes Wife Married Female 36 1875 - Sussex Worthing
Elsie Mayes Daughter Single Female 15 1896 - Durham Hartlepool
John Edwin Mayes Son - Male 13 1898 School Durham Hartlepool
Doris Lilian Mayes Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Durham Hartlepool
Frank Mayes Son - Male 5 1906 - Durham Hartlepool
Winifred Mayes Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Durham Hartlepool
Miriam Mayes Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Durham Hartlepool
Frank Mayes's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MAYES, FRANK PICKNELL
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 154

Mary A
Last name Mayes
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1875
Age 66
Death quarter 2
Death year 1941
District Durham South Eastern
County Durham
Volume 10A
Page 245

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PICKNELL, MARY ANN -
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 322

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Feb 2021 12:08

Ruth Ann
Last name Fullerton
Death year 1935
Death date 27 Jun 1935
Probate year 1935
Probate date 10 Aug 1935
Residence town Hartlepool
Registry Durham
County Durham
Linked persons Frank Fullerton
Country England