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Eleanor De Franties or De Frantey

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Gerry

Gerry Report 20 Mar 2021 15:01

Eleanor was born about 1840 in Essex.
She married George Bell 12/5/1862 Stepney. They had, at least, 4 children.
Her father, according to the marriage cert, was William.

I cannot find a thing about her ancestry and am hoping someone will be able to do what I couldn't

Gerry

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 20 Mar 2021 15:34

It looks as though you will need to use the Essex Archives. There seems to be a birth in the records for Hornchurch.

malyon

malyon Report 20 Mar 2021 15:36

George Bell
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
Name:
George Bell
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Place:
Mile End Old Town, London, England
Registration District:
Mile End Old Town
County:
London
Registration Quarter:
Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:
1862
Volume:
1C
Affiliate Line Number:
5
Possible Spouse:
Eleanor De?
Possible Spouse:
Mary Ann Gardner
Possible Spouse:
Alfred Jackson

Maddie

Maddie Report 20 Mar 2021 15:37

Name: Ellen Defranties
Residence Age: 10
Birth Date: abt 1838
Event Type: Examinations
Residence Date: 3 Aug 1848
Residence Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green
Residence: Lambourne, Essex, London, England
Reference Number: BEBG/267/006

Eleanor
wife of william deframties aged 42 a bootmaker now in prison for bigamy
ist wife married to him in 1829

William
Last name Defranties
Residence Hornchurch
Marriage year 1829
Marriage date 22 Mar 1829
Place Hornchurch, St Andrew
County Essex
Spouse's first name(s) Eleanor
Spouse's last name Frastick
Spouse's marital status S
Spouse's residence Hornchurch
Country England
Event type Marriages
Archive
Essex Record Office
Archive reference D/P 115/1/14
much more info included

daughter
Name: Selina Defranties
Residence Age: 15
Birth Date: abt 1833
Event Type: Examinations
Residence Date: 3 Aug 1848
Residence Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green
Residence: Lambourne, Essex, London, England
Reference Number: BEBG/267/006

Name: Selina De Franties
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 32
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1836
Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1868
Marriage Place: St Philip, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, England
Father:
William De Franties deceased a post maker
Spouse:
James Webb
Register Type: Parish Register

daughter
Name: Tamar Defranties
Residence Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1830
Event Type: Examinations
Residence Date: 3 Aug 1848
Residence Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green
Residence: Lambourne, Essex, London,
England
Reference Number: BEBG/267/006

1841
Name: Ellen Defrond
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: Stanford Rivers
Hundred: Ongar
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration District: Ongar
Sub-registration District: Chipping Ongar
Neighbors:
Piece: 336
Book: 20
Folio: 37
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Sewell 35
Mary Sewell 30
Ellen Sewell 9
Jonathan Griffth 30
Mary Jane Griffth 35
Ann Feooner 50
Richard Stone 80
William Savill 80
Samuel Porter 80
Thomas Rand 80
William Mays 80
James Wood 80
James Clark 75
David Doe 75
Thomas Wood 75
John Bottwood 10
James Eve 65
James Wren 60
James Bull 60
James Kimmons 55
Francis Overy 55
William Little 55
John Linsett 60
William Bales 35
Mary Whitbread 35
William Enever 30
James Hawkins 25
Mary Chesher 80
Ann Bennett 80
Elizabeth Pegram 80
Elizabeth Parker 80
Elizabeth Chapman 80
Jane Monk 75
Susan Rudley 70
Lucy Green 50
Mary Stains 30
Eliza Stains 75
Dinah Oakes 20
Sarah Hawkin 20
Phoeba Doe 20
Elizabeth Pamfret 20
Ann Warner 40
Sarah Savage 55
Sarah Roakes 20
Thomas Caper 14
Charels Baker 13
James Green 13
John Brown 12
James Low 12
James Washington 12
Frederick Capel 12
George Capel 8
John Green 8
Isaac Green 4
William Hawkins 6
John Judd 11
Stephen Judd 9
William Depond 6 -------------
William Ferry 8
William Stains 11
Abraham Whitbread 14
John Whitbread 11
Joseph Whitbread 9
Thomas Whitbread 7
Thomas Wood 4
Sarah Wood 12
Margarete Copsey 12
Samar Defrond 10 ------
Selina Defrond 8 ------------------
Ellen Defrond 4 ---
Malinda Green 11
Abigial Whitbread 2
Mary Green 2
Charles Doe 2
George Noakes 2
Thomas Hawkins 1
Phillip Taylor 45
Martha Taylor 45
Phillip Taylor 13
Mary Ann Taylor 10
Caroline Taylor 8
Naomi Taylor 45
Elizabeth Taylor 40
Robert Taylor 10
Charles Venables 20
John Frost 20
Martha Bird 15
Hannah Palmer 14

malyon

malyon Report 20 Mar 2021 15:38

Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
Bell George Mile End 1c 962 Scan available - click to view
De Franties Eleanor Mile End 1c 962

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2021 15:44


1871 census
Eleanor Bell
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Chippingongar Essex England
Civil parish: Egham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Egham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Windsor
Sub-registration district: Egham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 1297
Folio: 52
Page number: 14
Household Members Age Relationship
George Bell
37 Head
Eleanor Bell 30 Wife
George W Bell
7 Son
Elizabeth Bell
6 Daughter
John E Bell
3 Son
James Bell
1 Son

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2021 15:50

Posslby in 1841

In union workhouse

Ellen Defrond
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: Stanford Rivers
Hundred: Ongar
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration District: Ongar
Sub-registration District: Chipping Ongar
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 336
Book: 20
Folio: 37
Page Number: 3

With a Tamar born 1831
Selina born 1833


Baptism


Selina Defrand
Age: 0
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1832
Baptism Date: 20 Jan 1833
Baptism Place: Essex, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Romford, St Edward The Confessor' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: William Defrand
Mother: Elinor Defrand
Source Description: Baptism Register; Service of Church: Registers of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials; Incumbent; Romford, St Edward the Confessor; Parish Records;1826-1846

Maddie

Maddie Report 20 Mar 2021 15:52

Elizabeth
Last name de Franties
Birth year 1829
Birth date 10 Aug 1829
Baptism year 1829
Baptism date 06 Sep 1829
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name de Franties
Father's occupation Shoemaker
Mother's first name(s) Eleanor
Place Hornchurch, St Andrew
Residence Hornchurch
County Essex
Country England
Archive
Essex Record Office

Name: Elizabeth Defranties
Residence Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1829
Event Type: Examinations
Residence Date: 3 Aug 1848
Residence Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green
Residence: Lambourne, Essex, London, England
Reference Number: BEBG/267/006

Name: Ann Defranties
Residence Age: 9
Birth Date: abt 1839
Event Type: Examinations
Residence Date: 3 Aug 1848
Residence Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green
Residence: Lambourne, Essex, London, England
Reference Number: BEBG/267/006

malyon

malyon Report 20 Mar 2021 15:54

William Defranties
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997

Name:
William Defranties
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
22 Mar 1829
Event Place:
Essex, England, United Kingdom
Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Name:
Eleanor Frastick
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single

Maddie

Maddie Report 20 Mar 2021 15:58

Name: Ellen Depranter
[Ellen Defranties]
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: 1839
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitechapel St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration District: Whitechapel
Sub-registration District: Whitechapel Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 9
Piece: 271
Folio: 60
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Priest 61
Ann Priest 33
Mary Meathom 25
Ellen Depranter 22

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Mar 2021 21:06

DE FROND, ANN mmn FROSTICH
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in OF THE HOLBORN UNION MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 136

A tree on Ancestry claims Ann is a sister of Eleanor.

Supposed parents:
William Defrond/Defranties and Eleanor Frostick - married 1829 as per the record posted by Malyon..

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 21 Mar 2021 10:00

His bigamous second marriage is on Freebmd with a postem attached saying he had pleaded guilty to bigamy at the Old Bailey. He may have been truthful with his father’s name and occupation on that.

Marriages Sep 1847 (>99%)

DEFROND William Croydon 4 70 Postem available
TANNER. Mary Croydon. 4. 70

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 21 Mar 2021 10:06


First name(s) William
Last name Defrond
Age Full
Occupation Shoe Maker
Marital status Bachelor
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 19 Sep 1847
Marriage place Merton, St Mary
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Defrond
Father occupation Coppersmith
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Janner
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's condition Widow
Spouse's father's occupation Labourer
First witness George Robinson
Second witness Thomas Dolley
County Surrey
Country England
Archive Surrey History Centre
Archive reference 3185/1/16
Register type Marriages
Year range 1837-1888
Page 34
Record set Surrey Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 21 Mar 2021 10:08


First name(s) William
Last name Defrond
Sex Male
Age 38
Year 1848
Event date 28 Feb 1848
Role Defendant
Offence description Feloniously marrying Mary Tanner, his former wife being alive; to which he pleaded
Offence category Sexual
Offence subcategory Bigamy
Victim's sex Female
Verdict category Guilty
Verdict subcategory Pleaded Guilty
Punishment category Imprison
Image URL
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/images.jsp?doc=184802280182
Trial ID t18480228-967
Source ID def1-967-18480228
Place London
County Middlesex
Country England
Record set Middlesex, London, Old Bailey Court Records 1674-1913
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Courts & Legal
Collections from England, Great Britain

Maddie

Maddie Report 21 Mar 2021 11:22

Name: William Defrond
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 19 Sep 1847
Marriage Place: Merton, St Mary, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Merton
Search Photos: Search for 'Merton, St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Defrond
Spouse: Mary Tanner

William
Last name Defrond
Age Full
Occupation Shoe Maker
Marital status Bachelor
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 19 Sep 1847
Marriage place Merton, St Mary
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Defrond
Father occupation Coppersmith
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Janner
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's condition Widow
Spouse's father's occupation Labourer
First witness George Robinson
Second witness Thomas Dolley
County Surrey
Country England
Archive Surrey History Centre

Name: William Defrond
Age: 38
Birth Date: abt 1810
Arrest Place: Surrey
Trial or Committal Date: 1 Mar 1848
Trial or Committal Place: London, London, England
Jail: Newgate
Charge: Felony
Sentence: 6 Months
Occupation: Shoemaker

Name: Mary Tanner
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 17 Jun 1863
Burial Place: Mitcham, Surrey, England
FHL Film Number: 991692
Reference ID: p87

Maddie

Maddie Report 21 Mar 2021 11:30

son ???
William
Last name de Frond
Residence Millwall Popear London
Marriage year 1859
Marriage date 25 Dec 1859
Place Lambourne
County Essex
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Flack
Spouse's marital status S
Spouse's residence Lambourne
Father's first name(s) William De
Father's last name Frond
Father's occupation Boot & Shoe Maker
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Flack
Country England
Event type Marriages
Archive
Essex Record Office