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Just to be a bit more clear, this is the correct household I am looking at:-
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Minorca, Sunderland, Durham, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Gurney Head Married Female 27 1824 Mariners wife Morpeth, Northumberland, England
William Gurney Nephew Single Male 8 1843 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Mary Ann Gurney Niece Single Female 5 1846 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Henry Dixon Gurney Son Single Male 5 1846 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
Barbara Gurney Daughter Single Female 3 1848 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England
John Gurney Son Single Male 1 1850 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Henry Dixon Visitor Married Male 29 1822 Ship wright Morpeth, Northumberland, England.
Although I was asking about Jane Gurney (nee Dixon) it is actually the daughter Barbara and the son John that I am interested in.
I think this John is the one who ends up in 1911 living in Painshaw, Durham and he was the informant on my great grandfather's death certificate describing himself as brother-in-law so I was hoping to find some evidence that his sister Barbara was the one who ended up as 'mother' to my grandfather (although I know that brother-in-law had other meanings back then).
I was just hoping to find other members of Jane's family that I could put into "search all member trees" to see if I could find a contact.
I have now found another Jane Dixon in 1841 who might be more likely to be the Jane from 1851 census, rather than the Jane with father Robert and mother Jane so I apologise for misleading you all with that information.
Sorry this is all a bit long winded.
EDIT - the baptism for Jane Dixon in Morpeth with father William and mother Ann could well be the right one but I have no way of confirming or denying this.
Kath. x
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Noting that your grandfather's mother is variously named as Mary Ann Dixon, and Barbara, does seem to point to the Gurney family, who had daughters Mary Ann and Barbara.
Although in 1851, Mary Ann Gurney and William Gurney are listed as niece and nephew of Jane, Mary Ann appears to be a daughter:
GURNEY, MARY ANN mmn DIXON
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND UNION Volume 24 Page 315
Possibly William's birth ???
DIXON, GEORGE WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND UNION Volume 24 Page 274
1911 for John George Gurney, which you mention (birth posted earlier):
John Gurney
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Gurney
Age in 1911: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Offerton Painshaw
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Penshaw Staiths Penshaw
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Colliery Wastemanbdow
Registration District Number: 553
Sub-registration District: Houghton le Spring
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 30062
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gurney 60
Sarah Jane Gurney 56
Henry Gurney 20
James Gurney 16
John Hall Bobson 5
In 1901 he's with his wife and children in Hetton le Hole, and in 1891 he's with his wife and children in Bishop Wearmouth.
1881 -
John Gurners
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John Gurners
[John Gurney]
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Gurners
Gender: Male
Where Born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Tyne Street (Rooms Over Stable)
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Journeyman Painter
Registration District: Sunderland
Sub registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 4994
Folio: 136
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gurners 30
Sarah Gurners 26
Joseph Gurners 8
Wm.H. Gurners 1
Eliz.A. Gurners 4
Frances Gurners 19 - sister
Emma M. Gurners 17 - sister
1871:
John G Gurney
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John G Gurney
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1851
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: East Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 214
Piece: 5013
Folio: 19
Page number: 31
Household Members Age Relationship
George Gurney 56 Head - Lambeth, Surrey - mariner, unemployed
Jane Gurney 47 Wife
John G Gurney 20 Son
George Gurney 18 Son
Robert Gurney 14 Son
Frances J Gurney 10 Daughter
Emma M Gurney 7 Daughter
By 1881, George, the father, is a widower in Lambeth Workhouse. (Jane's death in 1880 posted previously.)
I can't see any of the family in 1861.
I can't see any sign of Barbara at any time after 1851.
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Your grandfather in 1871:
John G Humble
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John G Humble
Age: 7/12
Estimated Birth Year: 1870
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
Town: Peckham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 238
Piece: 731
Folio: 23
Page number: 39
Household Members Age Relationship
G?? Humble 33 Head - Sunderland
Mary Ann Humble 24 Wife - Sunderland
John G Humble 7/12 Son
John D Deacon 23 Lodger
Anderson
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name: Anderson
Gender: Male
Record Type: Birth
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1870
Birth Poor Law Union: St George the Martyr
Birth Place: St George the Martyr, Southwark, England
Father: G Anderson
Mother: Mary Ann Anderson
Register Type: Parish Register
ANDERSON, JOHN GEORGE mmn DIXON
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 58
Mary Ann and George do not seem to have married .
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Thanks AryllGran.
That is the correct 1871 census for my grandfather with the name Humble. I forgot to mention that the name change was also on the census just before his baptism. That is where his father George is said to be an unemployed painter. I have his records from the workhouse, his birth certificate and baptism record.
I bought the birth certificate of Mary Ann Gurney from the 1851 census named as niece but I think that is what she was as the mother's name on the certificate was Ann Dixon (unless this was a mistake which I realise c an and does happen.)
I can't find any other record for Barbara either until she appears on the 1901 census with George Anderson as Barbara Anderson living in Burbank Street. By this time they have moved back up north to West Hartlepool which is where the family stayed and I was born there.
I can find my grandfather with his father George on the 1881 census but again mother is named as Maria (I think maybe a mis-hearing of Mary A.) again in Burbank Street. I thought I had them in 1891 too but I can't find that at the moment.
I can find no marriage for George and Mary Ann or George and Barbara to help with the search.
Kath. x
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Oh crumbs Erika....I had completely forgotten that I had that other thread Just last year.
Lock down has not helped my short term memory :-S
I'm sorry for making everyone go through all this again. I think there is just so much information but not much solid ground that I keep confusing myself. I think I may have to leave this again as my head is going round in circles.
Kath. x
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No probs, Kath.
We've all had tough times, one way and another ;-) ;-)
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