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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2022 16:53

That Florence with parents George and Elizabeth is another Florence Lilian!

STONE, FLORENCE LILIAN mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 706


Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
Stone George Medway 2a 1175
Turner Elizabeth Sarah Medway 2a 1175


Of course, it's possible that the DOB stated in 1930 is wrong!

Maddie

Maddie Report 21 Oct 2022 15:21

there is this florence ????
1911 Census For England & Wales
11 Russell St Chatham Kent, Chatham, Kent, England
View original record
Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Stone Head
Married Male 33 1878 Painter Finsbury Rochester Kent
Elizabeth Stone Wife
Married Female 31 1880 - Rainham Rd Chatham Kent
George Stone Son
- Male 12 1899 School Chatham Kent
Charles Stone Son
- Male 10 1901 School Chatham Kent
William Stone Son
- Male 7 1904 - Chatham Kent
Florence Stone Daughter
- Female 5 1906 - Chatham Kent
Transcript of Florence's record

1921 Census Of England & Wales transcript -- medwat

Florrie, George, Elizabeth and 5 others are on this record
Sample Record transcript
dob 1905

but birth year does not tally with prev records

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2022 14:40

With Chatham in mind - a long shot for George Wilson, although a lot older than Florence:

George Wilson
in the 1901 England Census
Name: George Wilson [Geroge Wilson]
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Chatham
Search Photos:
View blank form
Ecclesiastical parish: Chatham St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester and Chatham
ED, institution, or vessel: Chatham Barracks
Neighbors:
Piece: 732
Folio: 43
Page number: 15
Household schedule number: 1


George Wilson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: George Wilson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married <<<<<< but no wife with him
Birth Date: 20 Sep 1876
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 170 New Road
Residence Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Occupation: Genaral Labourer
Line Number: 26
Schedule Number: 85
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Dhcg
Borough: Chatham
Registration district: 47-1.
Household Members Age
George Wilson 63


New Road is less than 1/2 mile from Whittaker Street.
I don't see a Whittaker Square anywhere in Chatham, but what I've read as "sq" in Florence's hospital record in 1930 might be "st" instead.

EDIT:
No, it's definitely "Sq" in 1930, as it's written twice

alviegal

alviegal Report 21 Oct 2022 14:32

Florence Lilian
Stone
1904
Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Brent Knoll
Axbridge
Somerset


Frances Mary
Bishop
1906
Brent Knoll, Somerset, England
Brent Knoll
Axbridge
Somerset


David Iroine
Garden
1918
Sussex, England
Brent Knoll
Axbridge
Somerset


Michael Humpstey
Garden
1920
Sussex, England
Brent Knoll
Axbridge
Somerset


Richard Titley
Garden
1861
Lancashire, England
Brent Knoll
Axbridge
Somerset


Roger Mashiter
Garden
1915
Lancashire, England
Brent Knoll
Axbridge
Somerset


Sarah Elizabeth Marie
Garden
1880

Brent Knoll
Axbridge
Somerset


1921 for Florence Lilian, possibly in service to the Gardens.(should be Gardner)


1911 Census For England & Wales
64 Thurlow Park Road W Norwood, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Titley Gardner Head
Married Male 49 1862 Clergyman of the establisher church of private means Lancashire Preesall
Sarah Elizabeth Marie Gardner Wife
Married Female 30 1881 - Cornwall St Michael Pen Kivel
Rosemary Gardner Daughter
- Female 3 1908 - London West Hampstead
James Carlo Thomas Gardner Son
- Male 2 1909 - London West Dulwich
Maude Rozier Servant
Single Female 20 1891 Cook - domestic London Barnes
Elsie Barton Servant
Single Female 16 1895 Housemaid - domestic Bucks Bledon Ridge
Nellie Violet Bird Servant
Single Female 23 1888 Nurse - domestic Suffolk Great Waldingfield

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2022 14:17

Posting just in case -

This is the only one of the eight Florence Stones who doesn't have a middle name - if that's relevant:

STONE, FLORENCE mmn FLAY
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in TIVERTON Volume 05B Page 376


ADDED:

However, that's not her.

to cut a long story short, that Florence married Felix Cottrell, and her DOB (per 1939) was 3 Aug. 1904.

Sidami

Sidami Report 21 Oct 2022 14:03

Thankyou

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2022 13:51

Florence Stone and daughter Irene Margaret Sheila (1930), in Medway Union

Florence's DOB 18 Sept 1904.
Address: 5 Whittaker Square, Chatham.
Florence admitted 1/8 /30; then both Florence and Irene admitted on 2/8/30; discharged 15/8 /30

Florence Stone
in the Medway, Kent, England, Poor Law Union Records, 1836-1937
Name: Florence Stone
Admission Age: 25
Discharge Age: 25
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1904
Admission Date: 1 Aug 1930
Admission Place: Medway, Kent, England
Discharge Date: 2 Aug 1930
Discharge Place: Medway, Kent, England
From Whence Admitted: Chatham
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Parish or Poor Law Union: Medway Union
Register: Creed Register (1924-1930)



There are births of 8 Florence Stones which would fit that DOB.

Ancestry suggests this woman:

Florence Lilian Stone
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Florence Lilian Stone
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1904 <<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Oct 1985
Registration District: Sedgemoor
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 23
Page: 1233


Florence Lilian Stone
in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Florence Lilian Stone
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1904
Birth Place: Bristol, England
Death Date: 10 Nov 1985
Death Place: Bristol, England
Cemetery: St. John Bristol Road Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Bridgwater, Sedgemoor District, Somerset, England


Note added to Findagrave entry:

Baptised at Brent Knoll, Somerset on 21st June 1914 - parents Walter & Alice Isabel. [source : Brent Knoll Baptism Register]
Inscription

IN LOVING MEMORY OF
FLORENCE L STONE
BORN SEPT. 1904
DIED NOV. 1985
AGED 81 YEARS

ALWAYS REMEMBERED




Florence Stone
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Florence Stone
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bristol
Civil Parish: Brent Knoll
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Brent St, Brent Knoll, Highbridge, Somerset
Occupation: School
Registration District Number: 314
Sub-registration District: Burnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 14572
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Stone 31
Alice Stone 49
Albert Stone 7
Florence Stone 6
Alice Stone 4
Edgar Charman 19
Kate Lintern 52


However, there are no children with her in 1939 - so Florence Lilian may not be the right person.

Florence L Stone
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Florence L Stone
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1904
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 1 Welbeck Street
Residence Place: St Marylebone, London, England
Occupation: Cook
Line Number: 13
Schedule Number: 36
Sub Schedule Number: 30
Enumeration District: Arax
Borough: St Marylebone
Registration district: 7/1
Household Members Age
William H Black 32
Sydney L Boackes 25
Alfred L Bolleter 40
Arthur Curry 45
Cyril M Elwell 51
Leonar Hollingbery 28
Philip Jacobs 27
Ronald M Konek 28
Thomas C Land 25
Albert J Lewis 30

(and others - total of 36 people living at 1 Welbeck Street - some sort of hostel ?)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Oct 2022 12:34

As the parents didn't marry, the chances of going any further back are slim............at best

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2022 12:25

That 1966 couple suggested by Maddie , were in Lincolnshire until at least 2017,(as Stone, not Stones) .

However, I don't think that's the correct Rodney.
Companies House shows that man (again as Stone, not Stones), at the ER address, with birth in January 1946.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Oct 2022 10:53

Rodney stones also married in Boston Lincolnshire in 1966

Details should be on freebmd

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Oct 2022 15:57

To clarify Maddie's last post -

it was Ruby who married in Boston in 1953.

Her death:

WILLCOX, RUBY VIOLET 1932
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2007 in LINCOLNSHIRE (6091E) Reg 1E001 Entry Number 500309582

She had a daughter, in 1953, Boston, who married in 1974 Boston

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Oct 2022 15:36

These people may be living - discretion is needed to avoid possible repercussions!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Oct 2022 15:25

Aha! So Rodney 1935/36 is indeed relevant , and we can't find a marriage for the parents because there wasn't one.

Patricia's the only one registered solely as Wilson.

Maddie

Maddie Report 20 Oct 2022 15:20

Name: Irene M S Stones
Registration Date: Jul 1930
[Aug 1930]
[Sep 1930]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Mother's Maiden Name: Stones
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1327

married 1953 boston

Name: Ruby V Stones
Registration Date: Oct 1932
[Nov 1932]
[Dec 1932]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Mother's Maiden Name: Stones
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1156

Maddie

Maddie Report 20 Oct 2022 15:17

for what is worth ancestry suggests george married under the name of stone 1966 mansfield

Name: George Stone
Registration Date: Oct 1934
[Nov 1934]
[Dec 1934]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devon
Mother's Maiden Name: Stone
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 170

Name: George Wilson
Registration Date: Oct 1934
[Nov 1934]
[Dec 1934]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devon
Mother's Maiden Name: Stone
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 170

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Oct 2022 15:14

Re George 1934 Newton Abbott, suggested by Shirley -

His birth is also registered as Stone, so (whoever he was) his mother presumably wasn't married to Mr Wilson, but she used his surname.


Posting in case it turns out to be relevant:

a Rodney Stone, with mmn Stone, was born in Medway reg district in late 1935 or early 1936 - registered in 1st qr 1936..

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Oct 2022 14:03

Exactly
We need feedback !

Who is the friend descended from for a start

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Oct 2022 14:01

George possibly born 1934 Newton Abbott mmn stone

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Oct 2022 13:48

Yes, the records would of course be closed,

There is no dispute about Patricia's birth - it's the others which are under query, although Ruby's does exist, but NOT in 1930

As I said before, no-one can help until feedback is provided

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Oct 2022 13:46

WILSON, RUBY VIOLET -
GRO Reference: 1932 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1156