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5 Jul 2024 17:33 |
I have a Bessie Beale as my Grand Aunt born 1877 Beckley Sussex . I can find her on the 1881,1891,1901 Census but after that nothing . No marriage or death certificates. Any help would be appreciated.
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ErikaH
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5 Jul 2024 17:54 |
Was Bessie her official birth name?
Where was she in 1901?
have you tried searching using the name Beal - no final ‘e’?
Does she act as a witness to the marriages of any of her siblings after 1901?
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ErikaH
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5 Jul 2024 18:00 |
There is a record on FMP for a woman of that name aged 42 in 1919 arriving in San Francisco
No image, so info is limited
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5 Jul 2024 18:31 |
For INFO
In 1901 she and her younger sister Matilda were servants in Maidstone, Kent. Bessie was a Cook
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5 Jul 2024 18:50 |
She is in a number of GR trees……….are all the ‘owners’ known to you? If not, one or more of them may have additional info
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jul 2024 19:30 |
Ancestry suggests this is Bessie in 1911;
Bessie Huttel
in the 1911 England Census Name Bessie Huttel Age in 1911 32 Estimated Birth Year abt 1879 Relation to Head Wife Gender Female Birth Place Tintirden, Kent [Tenterden] Civil parish Margate St John the Baptist County/Island Kent Country England Street Address 5 Grotto Hill, Margate Marital Status Married Years Married 5 Estimated Marriage Year 1906 Registration District Number 63 Sub-registration district Margate ED, institution, or vessel 14 Piece 4496 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship George Huttel 48 Head - Germany Bessie Huttel 32 Wife - Tenterden, Kent Alfred Beale 10 Son Winneford May Huttel 4 Daughter George Bearnhard Huttel 2 Son Edith Jessie Price 28 Boarder Sarah Sayberry 23 Boarder Elizabeth Helen Goddard 24 Boarder
BEALE, ALFRED EDWARD - GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in WEST ASHFORD Volume 02A Page 901
HUTTEL, WINIFRED MAY mmn BEALE GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in THANET Volume 02A Page 1058
HUTTEL, GEORGE BERNARD mmn BEALE GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in THANET Volume 02A Page 1018
Another child who died ?? - though I don't see his death:
HUTTEL, GEORGE mmn BEALE GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in THANET Volume 02A Page 983
Can't see a Huttel/Beale marriage. Maybe they married in Germany - or not at all.
??? Bessie Huttell in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name Bessie Huttell Death Age 50 Birth Date abt 1878 Registration Date Jul 1928 [Aug 1928] [Sep 1928] Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district Bath Inferred County Somerset Volume 5c Page 527
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jul 2024 19:38 |
George Huttel, the husband/partner, was a baker. He was in Margate in 1901, and in Westminster in 1881. Born in Frankfurt, per 1881.
George Bernard, the son, died in Plymouth in 1948, having been in the Royal Navy.
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5 Jul 2024 19:45 |
The infant George’s death is on FMP and freebmd. OND 1908
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5 Jul 2024 19:47 |
Winifred married Leonard S Marsh in Bath in 1931.
Winifred M Marsh in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name Winifred M Marsh [Winifred M Neville] Gender Female Marital Status Married Birth Date 24 Jun 1908 Residence Date 1939 Address 1 Cedar ?? Residence Place Bath, Somerset, England Occupation Unpaid Housewife Line Number 39 Schedule Number 114 Sub Schedule Number 2 Enumeration District Wnao Borough Bath Registration district 316-1 Inferred Spouse Leonard S Marsh Inferred Children Kenneth G Marsh Household Members (Name) Gender Birth Year Leonard S Marsh Male 1909 Winifred M Marsh Female 1908 Kenneth G Marsh Male 1935 Stanley J Huttel Male 1916 Arthur Hill Male 1885 Thomas E Hanlon Male 1882
Don't know who Stanley Huttel's mother was - Bessie ??
HUTTEL, STANLEY JAMES mmn BEALE GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in BATH Volume 05C Page 699
Winifred's second marriage:
Marriages Mar 1959 (>99%) MARSH Winifred M NEVILLE Lewisham 5d 166 NEVILLE Stanley F MARSH Lewisham 5d 166
Reverted to Marsh before death:
Winifred May Marsh in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name Winifred May Marsh Death Age 89 Birth Date 24 Jun 1907 Registration Date Apr 1997 Registration district Lewisham Inferred County Greater London Register Number B73A District and Subdistrict 2421B Entry Number 23
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ErikaH
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5 Jul 2024 19:53 |
1921 Bessie has reverted to giving her birthplace as BECKLEY
She is a widowed Charwoman at 8 Daisy Bank, Bath, with Winnie, George, Raymond and Stanley
Can’t C&P as I’m on my iPad Surname spelling is Huttle on the record
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5 Jul 2024 19:53 |
Possible marriage for George, Bessie's "husband", as reason for not marrying Bessie ???
George Adam Hittel in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938 Name George Adam Hittel Gender Male Marriage Age 27 Record Type Marriage Birth Date abt 1863 Marriage Date 25 Aug 1890 Marriage Place Saint Giles, Camberwell: Camberwell Church Street, Southwark, England Father Lawrence Hittel Spouse Eleasa Christina Hess Register Type Parish Register
This man is a confectioner.
They were in West Ham in 1901 , when he was a "baker and confectioner".
His wife in 1904??
Elizabeth C D Huttell in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1921 Name Elizabeth C D Huttell Discharge Age 35 Record Type Discharge Birth Date abt 1869 Discharge Date 12 Jan 1904 Discharge Place Southwark, Southwark, City of London, England
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alviegal
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5 Jul 2024 20:46 |
There is an article in The Bath Chronicle, 26 Feb 1916 titled AN ENEMY ALIEN.
Basically George 54, a baker of 13 Alexander Rd was in front of the Magistrates charged with being an enemy alien and failing to report himself when he moved districts.
He had moved to Bath from Margate about 16 months previously and thought that registering in Margate was sufficient. He had come to England in 1879 and had an English wife and 4 children.
He was fined £5 or a month's imprisonment and the bench hoped that the publicity surrounding this trial would send a 'very definite warning' to any other aliens in the district to comply with registration.
He described himself as being 'half Scotch and half German.'
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5 Jul 2024 20:54 |
George in 1901 so not the one in West Ham.
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 4, Cliftonville Parade, Margate, Thanet, Kent, England View original record Household members (7 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Bortalo De Piazzi Head Married Male 41 1860 Pastry cook shopkeeper - Vittoria De Piazzi Wife Married Female 41 1860 - - Bezina M De Piazzi Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - London, Middlesex, England Maria Francerch Niece Single Female 19 1882 Helper in shop - Lorenzo Francerch Nephew Single Male 13 1888 Errand boy - Emily Doughty Assistant Single Female 23 1878 Shop assistant Margate, Kent, England >>George Huttel Baker Single Male 36 1865 Baker journeyman -
or maybe you meant 1891 ArgyllGran
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census 39, St Georges Avenue, West Ham, London & Essex, England
Household members (3 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George A Hittel Head Married Male 28 1863 Baker & confectioner Germany Eleaza C D Hittel Wife Married Female 23 1868 - England Eleaza Jankowski Aunt Widow Female 53 1838 Living on her own means Germany
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5 Jul 2024 21:08 |
In 1881 George was in Westminster
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5 Jul 2024 21:19 |
Eliza Christina D Hess was with aunt and uncle in 1871 and 1881 in Camberwell
The key to the query may well be to find her in 1901
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5 Jul 2024 21:52 |
Newspaper article on FMP dated 25/11/1899 Streatham News
Elizabeth Huttell, wife of a Baker, living away from her, was summonsed by the NSPCC for wilfully neglecting two children, etc etc
She was at 25, Thicket Wood Chambers
Her husband had at some stage allowed her £1.00 per week, but reduced it to 15shillings
May be totally unconnected, of course
There are, however, two likely births in W Ham on freebmd, as the neglected children were 8 and 5 at the time of the court case
defendant sentenced to 3 months with hard labour
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5 Jul 2024 22:00 |
Bessie’s son Raymond on 1939 in Bath as HUTTELL, with wife Lily
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5 Jul 2024 22:02 |
Daisy and Dorothy Huttel in Margate in 1901
Dorothy married George A Solly in 1917 Daisy married Frank T Pearce in 1920
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jul 2024 12:54 |
Irrelevant to the OP's query about Bessie Beale - but just following George Huttel's wife -
As already posted, Elizabeth C D Huttel was discharged from Southwark workhouse in 1904.
She was there again in 1905, listed as Eliza Huttel. The "observations at admission" column says: Police. "Mental"
The two West Ham births mentioned by ErikaH:
Births Sep 1891 Huttel Elizza Christena D W. Ham 4a 164 (Doesn't seem to be on GRO site)
HUTTEL, DOROTHY LILIAN mmn HESS GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 233
In 1901 both girls are boarders with a nun, Sister Frances Beadon, Margate.
(Both are on Ancestry trees)
??? Other children?? Both died in infancy, in 1895 and 1896.
HUTTEL, - mmn HESS GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 255
HUTTEL, CHARLES mmn HESS GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 257
Eleasa/Eliza in 1911 - I'm sure the name is Huttel on the image, but two ink dots have confused the transcriber:
Eliza Heittel in the 1911 England Census Name Eliza Heittel Age in 1911 43 Estimated Birth Year abt 1868 Relation to Head Visitor Gender Female Birth Place Ham [Peckham on image ] Civil parish Bethnal Green County/Island London Country England Street Address 1 A Lisbon Buildings St, Bethnal Green Marital Status Married Years Married 21 Estimated Marriage Year 1890 Occupation Dress Maker Registration District Number 17 Sub-registration district Bethnal Green South West ED, institution, or vessel 16 Piece 1433 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Dannis Hogan 31 Head Elizabeth Mary Hogan 31 Wife Hilda Batchelor 5 Daughter Elizabeth Ellen Batchelor 3 Daughter Henry Batchelor 47 Brother William Poppy 61 Visitor William Poppy 12 Visitor Eliza Heittel 43 Visitor
Her birth: HESS, ELIZA CHRISTINA DORA mmn HABER GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 606
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6 Jul 2024 15:41 |
Bessie’s son Stanley married in 1944 to Joyce Wilson, born 1920 He died 18 September 1994. Headstone refers to ‘dad & gramp’
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