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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
47, Church Street, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales

John Powell Head Married Male 24 183 7 Coal miner Brecon, Brecknockshire, Wales
Dinah Powell Wife Married Female *20* 1841 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Mary Ann Powell Daughter - Female *4* 1857 - -
Edward Powell Son - Male 2 1859

That 1861 census refers to the marriage suggested by Jink20 on 13 August at 21:43.

I think the names are just a coincidence.



POWELL, EDWARD mmn WALTERS
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 352

POWELL, MARY ANN mmn WALTERS
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 337


Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
Powell John Merthyr Tydfil 11a 554
WALTERS Dianah Merthyr Tydfil 11a 554


????
Dinah Powell
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name Dinah Powell
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1836
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Sep 1866
Inferred Death Place Glamorganshire, United Kingdom
Volume 11a
Page 217

ArgyllGran

Re: POWELL, WILLIAM mmn RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in NEWPORT Volume 26 Page 128

Out of curiosity, I purchased the digital image. DOB is 05/06/1850 Father is William Powell. Mother is Sarah Powell formerly Richards. Father is from Fleur de Lys (correct area) and occupation is a collier. This all fits with William Powell the son (not the father because his occupation was always to do with horses e.g. ostler). It would make sense as well as there would not then be two sons called William.

Strangely, there is a marriage for William in the general area (Abergavenny) in the same quarter as the birth.

Sarah died on 08/07/1850 of consumption - wife of William Powell collier.
This would explain why William the baby is with his grandparents.

William's entry into the USA is purported to be 1860 which would explain why he can't be found in 1861 census. I haven't found him in 1851 yet.

Finding the 1861 censuses would answer a few questions I think!

Jude

Because of Bedwellty references

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
139, Tredegar Road, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales

William Price Head Married Male 62 1799 Coal miner Brecknockshire, Wales
Mary Price Wife Married Female 52 1809- Brecknockshire, Wales

Evan Price Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Coal miner Llangattock, Brecknockshire, Wales

Thomas Price Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Coal miner Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales

Margaret Price Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1848 Scholar Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales

****Mary Ann Walters Visitor Married Female 20 1841 - Llanelly,
Breconshire, Wales

*****William Walters Son Unmarried Male - - - Llanelly, Breconshire,
Wales

1862
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) William
Volume 11A
Last name Walters
Page 80
Sex Male
Country Wales
Birth year -
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 2
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1862
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Bedwellty
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
County Monmouthshire

"I cannot find Dinah...... or William Walters allegedly born anything between 1829 and 1831 also in Bedwelty"


England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales


William Walters in 1832
England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales

*************************First name(s) William
*************************Last name Walters
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Father's first name(s) Rees
County Monmouthshire
****************************Birth year 1831
Country Wales
****************************Birth date 20 Jul 1831
Archive reference TNA/RG/4/1341
****************************Baptism year 1832
Piece description MONMOUTHSHIRE: Tredegar Iron Works, Sharon Chapel (Independent) : Births & Baptisms
****************************Baptism date 23 Jan 1832
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Place Tredegar
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
****************************Birth place as transcribed Bedwellty
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Denomination Independent
Collections from Great Britain, Wales

https://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/Gwent/BedwelltyPitsTredegar.htm

William Walters's gravestone says he was born in 1831:

William Walters
Birth
1831
Death
1872 (aged 40–41)
Burial
Orchard Street Cemetery
Dover, Morris County, New Jersey, USA
Memorial ID
38166160 · View Source
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38166160/william_walters

In 1851 the Powell family were in the sub-registration district of Rock Bedwellty.

There don't seem to be any online records at all for that sub-reg district in 1861.

Thanks everybody.

ArgyllGran...have tried searching for Mynyddyslwyn (which fits quite a few of the censuses I have - divided into districts) for Walters, Bull and Powells to no avail.

I even tried going from page to page to see if they were there but not transcribed. But can't find any of them anywhere!

Guess I'll now give up!

Jude