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Sheila
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22 Mar 2007 07:26 |
William NASH c.1861 was married to Mary EUSTACE. they had 7 children.....LILY c1886. MARY c1889. JOHN c1891. WILLIAM c 1893. KATE c1895.(MY NAN). LUKE c 1898. GEORGE c1901.
Any further info at all will be great.
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Gillian
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30 Oct 2008 16:20 |
Where was William born?
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AnnCardiff
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30 Oct 2008 20:33 |
I should click on Sheila's name if I were you - she probably would be very interested in this info but posted a long time ago - click on her name and try to send a message via GR
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Gillikins
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7 Jan 2019 13:13 |
Back on this one, I'm trying to assist my relative Sheila. We now have discovered the family in 1891 and 1901 in u.k. Where this time both Mary and William confess they were born in Ireland. We hav not researched Ireland before, and would like help with the next area of research, We do not know exactly where they were born, so can't isolate marriage place. Any suggestions please, In 1911 he is 47 and she is 46. Married 27 years, 1901 they are both 40 and live in Middleton 1891 they are both 26 Born ireland, on each census he was a paper mill worker.
What should be our next research area, knowing the lack of Irish census? G :-(
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7 Jan 2019 13:14 |
Marriage not found in England !
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Gillikins
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7 Jan 2019 13:14 |
Marriage not found in England !
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8 Jan 2019 11:29 |
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: For our info - a couple of the births to look at area born to find in census
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: NASH, MARY ANN EUSTACE Order GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 679 Order NASH, JOHN ROBERT EUSTACE Order GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 651 Order
Not seeing a birth registered for Lily (using Nash / Eustace with varied spellings) but census says also born Middleton so Oldham RD
Sometimes census will give area of birth but not usually more for Scotland or Ireland births -------------------------------
So 1891 census -
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Spring Vale, Tonge, Oldham, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Nash Head Married Male 26 1865 Labourer Ireland Mary Nash Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Ireland Lily Nash Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Lancashire, England Mary Ann Nash Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Lancashire, England John Robert Nash Son - Male 0 1891 - Lancashire, England
all children said to have been born Middleton
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8 Jan 2019 11:37 |
In Bury by 1901 - still only says Ireland
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 13, Sanford Street, Radcliffe, Bury, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Nash Head Married Male 40 1861 Labourer In Paper Mill Ireland Mary Nash Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Ireland Lily Nash Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Sorter In Paper Mill Middleton, Lancashire, England Mary Ann Nash Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Middleton, Lancashire, England John Robert Nash Son Single Male 10 1891 - Middleton, Lancashire, England William Henry Nash Son Single Male 8 1893 - Middleton, Lancashire, England Kate Nash Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Middleton, Lancashire, England Luke Nash Son Single Male 3 1898 - Middleton, Lancashire, England George Nash Son Single Male 0 1901 - Middleton, Lancashire, England
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By 1911 they are said to be born Radcliffe, Lancs !!
Married 27 years - 9 children born but 2 have since died
1911 Census For England & Wales 170 Church St Radcliffe, Radcliffe, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Nash Head Married Male 47 1864 Labourer Radcliffe Lancashire Mary Nash Wife Married Female 46 1865 Housekeeper Radcliffe Lancashire Lillian Nash Daughter Single Female 25 1886 - Radcliffe Lancashire John Robert Nash Son Single Male 20 1891 Filler In Radcliffe Lancashire Katherine Nash Daughter Single Female 17 1894 - Radcliffe Lancashire Luke Nash Son - Male 13 1898 School Radcliffe Lancashire Charlotte Nash Daughter - Female 8 1903 School Radcliffe Lancashire Christopher Corcoran Son In Law Married Male 24 1887 Bogie Tipping Radcliffe Lancashire Mary Ann Corcoran Daughter Married Female 22 1889 - Radcliffe Lancashire Rose Anna Corcoran Granddaughter - Female 3 1908 School Radcliffe Lancashire Mary Doris Corcoran Granddaughter - Female 0 1911 - -
(Christopher and Mary Ann married 4 years, 3 born 1 has died)
Got to go out now, sure there will be others around though)
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8 Jan 2019 12:19 |
I don't see any marriage in Ireland.
There were several Mary Eustaces born in Ireland around 1865-ish, which isn't helpful. There were also several William Nashes in Ireland 1865-66 (searched 1858-67)
There's this birth which might fit Radcliffe - though Radcliffe's actually in Bury reg district:
EUSTICE, MARY mms WHEELER GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 293
But there's more than one marriage which could be hers in Lancashire - none of them to a Nash.
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AustinQ
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8 Jan 2019 14:34 |
Birth of daughter, Lily:
NASH, LILY (mother's maiden name: AUSTACE ) GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 713
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Catherine
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8 Jan 2019 17:13 |
maybe 1881?
Name: Mary Eustace Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relationship to Head: Step Daughter Mother: Frances Foy Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 88 Portugal St Occupation: Rag Sorter Registration district: Manchester Sub registration district: Ancoats ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3979 Folio: 88 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Martin Foy 46 Frances Foy 41 - 1840 Ireland Mary Eustace 16 Frances Eustace 15
................. marriage to go with this couple Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%) FOY Martin Manchester 8d 777 HAND Frances Manchester 8d 777
...........but Frances' name is Hand here?
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Catherine
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8 Jan 2019 17:22 |
first marriage for lady in 1881
Name: Frances Eustace Date of Registration: 1870 Registration district: Dublin North, Ireland Volume: 12 Page Number: 506 FHL Film Number: 101251 Records on Page: Name Mary Colgan Thomas Fitzsimons Frances Ross ***** Thomas Hand Bridget Murray Laurence O'Brien Elizabeth Hagerty Alexander Gordon ***** Frances Eustace Mary Farrell
................................... possible birth for younger daughter:-
Name: Frances Eustace Date of Registration: 1866 Registration district: Dublin South Birth Country: Ireland Volume: 2 Page: 770 FHL Film Number: 101043 ......... Name: Frances Eustace Gender: Female Birth Date: 27 Feb 1866 Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland Father: Michael Eustace Mother: Frances Ross FHL Film Number: 101121
........................ and Mary
Name: Mary Eustace Baptism Age: 0 Event Type: Baptism Birth Date: 11 May 1864 Baptism Date: 23 May 1864 Baptism Place: St Nicholas' (Without), Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland Residence Place: 28 Wood St Parish Variants: Francis St., St. Nicholas (without), Francis Street Diocese: Dublin Father: Michal Eustace Mother: Frances Row
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Catherine
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8 Jan 2019 17:35 |
There is a Thomas Hand that died in Manchester in 1872
Deaths Jun 1872 (>99%) HAND Thomas 30 Manchester 8d 85
About the correct age and in time for a marriage in 1873??
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greyghost
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8 Jan 2019 20:08 |
Just in case you hadn't found them in the last 12 years!
Child not named in OP but on 1911 census
NASH, CHARLOTTE EUSTACE Order GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in BURY Volume 08C Page 641
Death of George born 1901 Name: Age at Death (in years): NASH, GEORGE 0 Order GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in BURY Volume 08C Page 385
and the "9th" child's birth and death
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: NASH, THOMAS EUSTACE Order GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in BURY, BURY AND LANCASTER Volume 08C Page 639
and his death Name: Age at Death (in years): Order: NASH, THOMAS 0 Order GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in BURY BURY AND LANCASTER Volume 08C Page 414
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Sheila
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9 Jan 2019 13:41 |
OK so this is what I now have. My Grandma on my mums side was KATE PYE nee NASH Her Dad was WILLIAM NASH. Born c 1864 Her Mum was MARY nee EUSTACE. c 1865
Kate was born c 1894 Her brother LUKE was born c. 1898 these were the only two I actually knew in my childhood. At that time we lived in Radcliffe (Bury District) (1950s) They had lived in Radcliffe for several decades by then, But it was assumed that their parents were from Ireland. My own research came to a brick wall until I got a birth certificate from my brother, which is for MARY EUSTACE. Born 17 December 1864 Parents DENIS Eustace and JANE Eustace nee NORTON The address on the cert. is Howards Lane, Roundtown, Rathfarnham South Dublin. Pretty exciting stuff!
So now I am about to look for further info on William Nash. And a wedding cert for William and Mary.
Thank you so much all you fellow searchers. any further news always gratefully received.
I :-) :-) :-)
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9 Jan 2019 14:02 |
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 No Image
Name: Mary Eustace Gender: Female Birth Date: 17 Dec 1864 Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland Father: Denis Eustace Mother: Jane Norton FHL Film Number: 101096
Name: Dennis Eustace Gender: Male Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 8 Feb 1853 Marriage Place: Rathfarnham, Ireland, Ireland Parish Variants: Crumlin, Rathfarnham and Crumlin Diocese: Dublin Spouse: Jane Norton
still no marriage coming up for mary
mary had several siblings --- details on ancestry
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915 View Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
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Name: Denis Eustace Baptism Age: 0 Event Type: Baptism Birth Date: 1835 Baptism Date: 22 Nov 1835 Baptism Place: Rathfarnham, Dublin, Ireland Parish Variants: Crumlin, Rathfarnham and Crumlin Diocese: Dublin Father: Edwd Eustace Mother: Cathe Eustace
Name: Jane Eustace Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1898 Death Age: 55 Registration district: Dublin South Volume: 2 Page: 489 FHL Film Number: 101600
Name: Denis Eustace Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Death Age: 65 Registration district: Dublin South Volume: 2 Page: 524 FHL Film Number: 101600
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Sheila
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9 Jan 2019 14:10 |
thank you Maddie a date and place for the wedding is a good place to start.
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Maddie
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9 Jan 2019 14:16 |
if this is mary, confirms birth year
MARY Last name NASH Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1864 Age 63 Death quarter 3 Death year 1927 District Bury County Lancashire Volume 8C Page 451 Country England
Name: William Nash Death Age: 68 Birth Date: abt 1864 Registration Date: Mar 1932 Registration district: Bury Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 674
Baptism: 13 Nov 1885 St Peter, Middleton, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Nash - filia Guilelmi Nash & Mariae (formerly Eustace) Born: 2 Oct 1885 Godparents: Margaretha Simpson Baptised by: Joanne W. Wigman Source: Original Parish Register
Baptism: 4 Nov 1888 St Peter, Middleton, Lancashire, England Anna Maria Nash - filia Gulielmi Nash & Mariae (formerly Eustace) Born: 25 Sep 1888 Godparents: Michael Feeny; Maria Feeny Baptised by: Athanasio Zimmermann Miss. Ap. Source: Original Parish Register
Baptism: 30 Dec 1890 St Peter, Middleton, Lancashire, England Joannes Robertus Nash - filius Guilelmi Nash & Mariae (formerly Eustace) Born: 5 Nov 1890 Godparents: Sara Helena Duffin Baptised by: Joanne W. Wigman Source: Original Parish Register
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greyghost
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13 Jan 2019 10:40 |
New thread started, have advised to continue on here
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1375285
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Gillikins
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7 Feb 2019 16:34 |
Following Catherine's comments above, concerning the Mary eustace, living at Portugal street Manchester, it seems her father Michael eustace died in Dublin 3.4.1869 according to roneustace.com. As she is another likely candidate for a Mary.. Can anyone help with finding the Foys later. I cannot find a suitable death for Frances or Martin, nor what happened to the daughter Frances. G
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