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Lottie Faithfull was my maternal Grandmother. She died in 1961. She married William Jones and had several children. They lived in Hornsey, North London during the latter part of their lives and around north London at earlier times. Any information about Lottie, her parents or siblings would be most appreciated.

Hi
I've just noticed your post regarding Lottie Faithfull and her husband, William Jones. I am doing a bit of research on behalf of a friend, who they were his great-grandparents, through their son, Frederick William Jones. I was wondering if you were able to share the details of Lottie and William's death dates and locations, as well as William's birth and parents if you have them. I have a copy of their marriage certificate and I'm guessing you've found them in the 1939 Register at 25 The Grove, Hornsey.
Regards
Kylie

I would think it unlikely that Robert will be looking at this thread now

To try to contact him, click on his name and send a message, about which GR will notify him, is his email hasn't changed in 14 years.

Good luck

Kylie, welcome to the boards.

You've replied to a post that was made 14 years ago. Robert is unlikely to be looking for replies now.

You could try clicking on his name and send a Personal message to him. GR will notify him there's a message in the system if he still has the same email address.

He may not answer - changed email, no longer interested etc.

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
Faithfull Lottie Pancras 1b 195

William's birth date is on here.

Jones Household (5 People)
25 The Grove , Hornsey M.B., Middlesex, England


FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Lottie Jones 21 Jan 1880 Female Daily Domestic Married 144 2
William Jones 10 Feb 1875 Male Public Road Work Labourer Asphalt (Heavy Worker) Married 144 1
Doris E Taylor (Charles,Jones) 11 Apr 1918 Female Assembling Telephone Deals Standard Telephones Single 144 3
Alfred J Jones 17 Apr 1921 Male Porter Sweet Factory Single 144 4
Davida W Kersey (Jones) 18 Jan 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 144 5

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St James Cottage St James Lane Muswell Hill N, Hornsey, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Jones Head Married Male 34 1877 Bedfordshire Labour Bricklayer's Transcription
Lottie Jones Wife Married Female 30 1881 Camden Town - Transcription
Hilda Jones Daughter - Female 7 1904 Highgate School Transcription
Albert Jones Son - Male 5 1906 Islington School Transcription
William Jones Son - Male 1 1910 Highgate -

Lottie's birth registration -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
Faithfull Lottie Pancras 1b 195
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)

Faithfull Lottie Edmonton 3a 592 99%)

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Possible for her death

Deaths Mar 1962 (>99%)
JONES Lottie 81 Pancras 5d 548

Name: Lottie Faithfull
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1880
Father: Charles H Faithfull
Mother: Alice Faithfull
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Residence Place: Islington, London, England
Sub registration district: Highbury
ED, Institution or Vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 176
Folio: 71
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles H Faithfull 44
Alice Faithfull 38
Charles Faithfull 6
Lottie Faithfull 11
Percy Faithfull 15

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
FAITHFULL, LOTTIE MITCHELL Order
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 195

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Probable Parents marriage -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
Faithfull Charles Henry Pancras 1b 8 <<<<<<<<<
Holdgate Alfred Pancras 1b 8
Mitchell Alice Matilda Pancras 1b 8 <<<<<<<<<
Short Emma Pancras 1b 8

With grandparents aged 1

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Raby Street, Moss Side, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Frederick Mitchell Head Married Male 50 1831 St Anns, Middlesex, England Collector
Jane Mitchell Wife Married Female 51 1830 St Pancras, Middlesex, England -
Lottie Faithful Grand Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Hampstead, Middlesex, England -

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
48, Southwood Lane, Hornsey, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Samuel H Allshorn Head Married Male 49 1852 Midlothian, Scotland Stock Broker's Clerk
Frances Allshorn Wife Married Female 47 1854 Hornsey, Middlesex, England -
Francis S Allshorn Son - Male 11 1890 Highgate, Middlesex, England
Winifred M Allshorn Daughter - Female 9 1892 Highgate, Middlesex, England -
Samuel G Allshorn Son - Male 6 1895 Highgate, Middlesex, England -
Lottie Faithfull Servant Single Female 22 1879 Camden Town, London, England General Servant Domestic

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Crown Villas, 1, Crown Road, Fryern Barnet, Barnet, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Edwin Holey Field Head Married Male 45 1856 Finstock, Oxfordshire, England Foreman Navy Transcription
Annie Field Wife Married Female 52 1849 West Drayton, Middlesex, England - Transcription
Annie Field Niece Single Female 11 1890 Harbury, Warwickshire, England - Transcription
Ernest Field Nephew Single Male 4 1897 Battersea, Middlesex, England - Transcription
William Jones Lodger Single Male 25 1876 Bedfordshire, England Labourer Transcription

Lottie's parents in 1881 -

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17, Malden Crescent, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Charles H Faithfull Head Married Male 33 1848 Middlesex, England Carpenter
Alice M Faithfull Wife Married Female 27 1854 Middlesex, England -
Mabel A Faithfull Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Middlesex, England -
Arthur C Faithfull Son Single Male 10 1871 Middlesex, England -
Alice Faithfull Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Middlesex, England -
Percy Faithfull Son Single Male 5 1876 Middlesex, England -
Fred Faithfull Son Single Male 4 1877 Middlesex, England -

and 1871 -

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hillmartin Road, Islington St Lukes, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Henry Faithfull Head - Male 24 1847 - Middlesex, England
Alice Matilda Faithfull Wife - Female 18 1853 - Middlesex, England
Mabel A Faithfull Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Middlesex, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

32, Handsworth Road, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Charles Faithful Head Married Male 54 1847 Kentish Town, Middlesex, England Builder
Alice Faithful Wife Married Female 48 1853 Kentish Town, Middlesex, England -
Stanley Faithful Son - Male 9 1892 Middlesex, England -
Ethel Faithful Daughter - Female 5 1896 Middlesex, England -
May Chapman Servant - Female 15 1886 Banham, Norfolk, England Domestic Servant

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and in 1911 -

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
208 Philip Lane Tottenham, Tottenham, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Charles Henry Faithfull Head Married Male 63 1848 Camden Town Furniture Dealer
Alice Faithfull Wife Married Female 57 1854 Camden Town -
Ethel Gladys Faithfull Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Harringay Attending School

10 children born to marriage, 8 still living 2 have died

As you have the marriage cert, you will know William's father's name - and occupation.

Please share that info with us to enable a search for William before he married

Census shows the names of 9 of the siblings. Perhaps the imminent birth of this girl was why Lottie aged 1 was with grandparents in 1881. She will be the "tenth child"

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
FAITHFULL, GLENNEY MITCHELL Order
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 155

Death of Glenney -

Name: Age at Death (in years):
FAITHFULL, GLENNEY 1 Order
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 112

Robert had himself in a tree at this site

https://tinyurl.com/y9bw6wl8

I had hoped there might be a way of contacting him elsewhere, but unfortunately, he doesn't seem to appear in records after his birth.


edit

Several people have a Robert in their trees born in the same year but a different place and there is no birth to match those entries including 2 years either side of Robert's year of birth (he was the only one born that year).

https://tinyurl.com/ycszhbfz

Maybe it would be worth trying to contact them to enquire.

Father Charles in 1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
47, Hartland Road, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frances E Faithfull Head Widow Female 49 1812 Day School Hackney, Middlesex, England
Ellen Corden Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1836 Book Keeper St George's, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Faithfull Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 House Work St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Charles H Faithfull Son - Male 14 1847 Carpenter & Shop St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Emma Faithfull Daughter - Female 11 1850 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Ellen Carden Granddaughter - Female 1 1860 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England

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and 1851
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Adams Terrace, Saint Pancras, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frances Faithfull Daughter Widow Female 42 1809 Stationer Hackney, Middlesex, England
Ann Faithfull Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Camden Town, Middlesex, England
Fanny Faithfull Daughter - Female 9 1842 - Camden Town, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Faithfull Daughter - Female 7 1844 - Camden Town, Middlesex, England
Charles Faithfull Son - Male 4 1847 - Camden Town, Middlesex, England
Emma Faithfull Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Camden Town, Middlesex, England
Emma Faithfull Sister - Female 44 1807 Assistant Dover