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Help please. On 1891 census I found Robert Day born 1853 (38)limehouse with his wife & family in Newington. His wife is Ellen born 1861 Lambeth.(30) I found him again in 1901 aged(49) but his wife is now Elizabeth C day (41) born blackfriars. His occupation in both is Cooper and the 2 children with him in 1901 are also with him in 1891. I cannot find Ellens Death or any marriage to Elizabeth. Perhaps I have missed them . Can anyone help me to solve this mystery??? Kathy

Kathy is this their marriage Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dawe Emma Lambeth 1d 533 >>>Day Robert Lambeth 1d 533 Gillard George Lambeth 1d 533 >>>Lee Ellen Lambeth 1d 533

sophia Ellen had always been shown as ellen on the previous cencus returns and her birth place Lambeth. On the 1901 census the wife is Elizabeth C birthplace Blackfriars. I cannot think that it is the same person and both census returns are in a clear and legible hand. Kathy

Julie Yes this is the first marriage. I have the certificate it's her death I can't find!!! Thanks for the reply. Perhaps I should have put that infomation in. Kathy

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anderson Catherine Lambeth 1d 766 Day Robert Lambeth 1d 766 DUNCAN Fanny Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 766 Hughes Samuel Richard Lambeth 1d 766

1891 England Census about Robert Day Name: Robert Day Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Limehouse, London, England Civil Parish: Trinity Newington Ecclesiastical parish: Walworth St John County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice A Day 9 Clare E Day 4 Ellen Day 30 Lambeth, London, England Robert Day 38 Robert J Day 7 Rosina E Day 12 for ref

1901 England Census about Elizabeth C Day Name: Elizabeth C Day Age: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Blackpiars Civil Parish: Newington Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Peter, Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 328 Household Members: Name Age Alice A Day 19 Elizabeth C Day 41 Robert Day 49 Robert T Day 19 View Original Record View original image

Louise thanks for the details of the census. They are the ones I found and the children are Roberts so I kow I have the correct Robert. The marriage you found is to either Catherine of Fanny Elizabeth. I suppose the Fanny Elizabeth might have just called herself Elizabeth but Where is Ellens Death ??? Anyone got any idea's Kathy

nudge. Any one got any Ideas. Can anyone find the death for Ellen Day please or the marriage of Robert to Elizabeth C. Both events must have take place between 1891 and 1901 in the London Area. Southwark, lambeth or that sort of area I would think. Any help appreciated as I am stuck on this one. Many thanks kathy

Kathy There is no Death showing for Ellen or a marriage with Elizabeth It is possable its the same woman But the only way to know for sure will be the 1911 census, to see what her name is

Kathleen, sorry if this is obvious but have you looked for a Death for Nell or Nellie? M. Steer

Julie I suppose its possible Ellen & elizabeth are the same person but it would be strange as she was always Ellen on previous census returns and she had a sister Elizabeth born 1861 but thanks for the thought Sophie It is possible he abandoned Ellen and lived with Elizabeth since we cannot find ellens death or Elizabeths marriage but the children are living with Robert and Elizabeth so maybe she ran off. I will look for her as Ellen day & Ellen lee to see if she appears anywhere. Margaret Good thought I will check for Nell & nellie. I had fogotten that the death certificate is just on information given by next of kin so of course its quite possible. Thank you all for your thoughts. Can't wait for 1911 census to see what that throughs up Kathy

Hi Kathy You do know there is someone on here that has Robert b 1853 in their tree, have you been in touch with them Julie

Kathleen, Ellen had a sister, Elizabeth, do you know if she married? M. Steer

I have traced Ellen and her parents then back to 1851 and can't see no sister called Elizabeth 1861 Ellen Lee Age: 6 Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Ann Gender: Female Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Lambeth St Mary County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Ann Lee 36 ... Nottinghamshire, England Arthur Lee 10 .. Nottinghamshire, England Ellen Lee 6 Mo ... Lambeth, Surrey George Lee 5... Lambeth, Surrey Harriet Lee 3 ..Lambeth, Surrey Thomas Lee 34.... Nottinghamshire, England Thomas Lee 12 ..Nottinghamshire, England 1851 Thomas Lee Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Sneinton County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Radford Sub-registration district: Hyson Green ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 95 Household Members: Name Age Ann Lee 26 Arther Lee 6 Mo James Lee 28 Thomas Lee 26 Thomas Lee 2

Julie Those lee's are the wrong ones. Correct ones Father is Edward Lee 1823 southwark mother Catherine 1828 Ireland Children Mary 1854 lambeth,ellen 1855 lambeth,john 1857 southwark, margaret 1859 southwark & Elizabeth 1861 southwark 1861 Census RG909/312/93/48 Edward died before 1877 when Ellen was married. I cannot find them in 1871 or 1881 Margaret I do not know who Elizabeth married Julie I will check the other Robert Day out if I have not already done so. Thank you both for trying so hard to help me regards kathy

Julie I have checked and the Robert Day that is in Rosemarys Tree is my one Her line is Robert's Brother Edward who married Isablella grantham and I have already contacted her. But thanks for the tip Kathy

Kathy, how do you know that Ellen had a sister Elizabeth? Julie has checked the Census back to 1851 and hasn't found a sister Elizabeth. Do you have a Birth Certificate? M. Steer

Hi have you found Rosina and /or Clare on the 1901 census? Rosina may have married but Clare would only be 14. There are some marriages for Rosinas between 1891 and 1901. Val

Now im confused Julie Those lee's are the wrong ones. Correct ones Father is Edward Lee 1823 southwark mother Catherine 1828 Ireland Children Mary 1854 lambeth,ellen 1855 lambeth,john 1857 southwark, margaret 1859 southwark & Elizabeth 1861 southwark I thought Ellen was born in 1860/1