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Mary Ann married 1837 in Coventry - parents Joseph and Elizabeth - and there's a Joseph and Eliza the right age in Coventry too!! Peter

Sorry if I put a spanner in the works at least you can count or discount a theory .Once again sorry and good luck with your future research Best wishes Diane

Bother!! Another theory down the drain - or Lucy has daughters named Mary and Mary Ann (although I do have a Sarah and a Sarah Ann who are sisters, but that is another story) Thanks anyway Peter

In 1851 Lucy Doran Age: 66 Estimated birth year: abt 1785 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Dublin, Ireland Civil parish: Coventry St Michael Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Coventry Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 132 Household Members: Name Age Lucy Doran 66 Mary Doran 25

Possible for Lucy in 1871 Lucy Doran Age: 88 Estimated birth year: abt 1783 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Dublin, Ireland Civil parish: St Michael Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Coventry Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 104 Household Members: Name Age Lucy Doran 88 Mary Doran 48

Works if William is 4 months (Catherine reg marQ1847, william MarQ 1851) Peter

Thinking sideways now....have just run a search on free bmd for All events/Doran/Coventry and most seem to be related insofar as I have them sort of linked. BUT....in 1873 there is a death for LUCY AGED 90....is she on a census prior to then as it looks as though she could be the mother of them all!! Peter

Maureen think you are right with 1851

Looks possible that Joseph's first wife was Elizabeth Judd as found this death Elizabeth Doran Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Year of Registration: 1877 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 33 DISTRICT: Coventry County: Warwickshire, West Midlands Volume: 6d Page: 283 (

1861 poss Name: William Doran Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Son Father's name: Patrick Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Coventry Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 125 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Doran 14 Mary Doran 48 Dublin Mary Doran 11 Patrick Doran 41 Dublin Thomas Doran 20 William Doran 10

1851 poss but need a look at the image Name: William B Doran Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's name: Patrick Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Dublin, Ireland Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Coventry Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity ED, institution, or vessel: 1d Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 105 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Doran 4 John Doran 5 Mary Doran 37 Mary Doran 1 Patrick Doran 32 Thomas Doran 10 William B Doran 4 Mary Ann Egan 12 Elizabeth Nightingainl 14 Oh bother the image is clear as age 4 for William Maureen

Births Mar 1851 (>99%) Doran William Bernard Coventry 16 457

Peter, Snap. Not yet found William on earlier census Maureen

This looks interesting Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%) BAILEY Martha Coventry 6d 695 Doran Maria Coventry 6d 695 Doran William Bernard Coventry 6d 695 Watts William Mark Coventry 6d 695 So Joseph could be brother to Maria and not as I first thought to William. Maureen

Peter, I am not convinced by the 1881 details that I posted as not been able to find Wm and Joseph together on 1871 or 1861. 1861 Name: Joseph Doran Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Coventry Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 92 Household Members: Name Age Ann Beaver 67 lodger, Dublin Ann Doran 8 Ellen Doran 12 James Doran 15 Joseph Doran 18 Maria Doran 5 Mary Ann Doran 48 Dublin Thomas Doran 50 Dublin Thomas Doran 20 Maureen

It's all coming together!! William Bernard Doran married Maria Doran in 1887, so Joseph is her brother!! Thomas Doran married Mary Ann Beaver 1839, so Ann Beaver confirms that. Now need William Bernard with his parents..... Peter

Thanks Maureen Looks positive....I am on the trail of the Dorans to try and find a family in Dublin which includes Joseph c 1808 and Mary Ann c 1814 - Joseph is the one found on here last night and MA is my wifes gggrandmother - the reason I am trying to join the two is that I think I have a marriage between cousins in 1912!! All help so far is really appreciated! Peter

1881 poss Name: Josh. Doran Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 5 Albert St Condition as to marriage: Widow Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Ribbon Weaver Registration district: Coventry Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Josh. Doran 38 Maria Doran 25 Mary Osburga Doran 2 Wm.Bernard Doran 30 Wm.Bernard Doran

In 1881 Mary Ann and Joseph are with their grandparents, but no sign of their father. Agnes looks like his second wife (marriage 1887) - first marriage could be in Dec Q 1871 to either Elizabeth Judd or Mary Ann Tildman - but where are they in 81?? Could be mistranscribed but I can't find them.... Peter

Thank you!! Peter