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I am researching my Great Grandfather's brother, Samuel James Hurt born in 1847 in St Pancras, Middlesex. I have him on the 1851-1871 census, but after that things go a bit 'grey'. I've just got a marriage certificate in 1873 for Samuel James Hurt and Minnie Church in Uxbridge, but it says that both his father and him were 'Engineers'. I know that they were both 'Whitesmiths', and I think I have found Samuel on the 1881 under the name 'Hart'. Also the certificate says his father was Samuel James Hurt, and he did not have a middle name, but his sister's marriage certificate states the father's name as 'James Hurt' so maybe he adopted the name James? Any thoughts would be great. Many Thanks, Susan

Is this who you think is your Samuel in 1881? Name: Samuel Hart Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Minnie Gender: Male Where born: Maryleborne, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 3 Piercefield St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Smith Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Kentish Town ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Minnie Hart 25 Minnie Hart 7 Samuel Hart 37 Sarah Hart 2 Georgina.

Susan have you found Samuel on a census with your Great Grandfather? Can you post the details. Georgina.

Hi Georgina, Yes, the 1881 details you have are the ones I found. Theseare the 1871 census details:- Samuel Hurt Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Son Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 79a Household Members: Name Age Hannah Hurt 19 Samuel Hurt 23 Sarah Hurt 42 Henry Lewis 27 Sarah Lewis 52 Hope this helps, Susan

Georgina, This is the 1861 census, with his father, Samuel:- Samuel J Hurt Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Son Father's name: Samuel Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 293 Household Members: Name Age Ellen S Hurt 1 Frederick Hurt 8 Joyce H Hurt 10 Samuel Hurt 36 Samuel J Hurt 13 Sarah J Hurt 33

I cant see any real problems here - a whitesmith would be loosely speaking an engineer of sorts - making things from tin - and many a man upgrades his job on the marriage cert.