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Please could someone look up this lady - and the household she's with in 1871. She was born in Earl Stonham, Suffolk in 1859. Many thanks. Annie

Could this be her? Name: Rachel Bedine Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Earl Stoneham, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Battisford Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Bosmere Sub-registration district: Needham Market ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Rachel Bedine 13 Eliza Southgate 46 William Southgate 47 Georgina.

Gawd you're fast Georgina! I was just tinkering with FreeBMD to check on BRAME-SOUTHGATE marriages!! So this probably means that Rachel married her first cousin - I didn't think that was allowed back then? More pondering ... Regs Annie

Georgina, For sure, that must be her ... but I'm a little perturbed that she is designated 'niece' ... she married their son about 10 years later! This obviously bears further investigation!! Any chance you could do one more BRAME for me - her brother Eustace, born 1862, Earl Stonham? I'm half expecting to find him at Darrow Wood Farm in Diss, Norfolk. Thanks for your help. Annie

Annie I think it is your Rachel on the above 1871 census, on the image the name looks like a mispelling of Brame and it says she is their niece, this is their marriage reference... Marriages Jun 1853 (>99%) >>>Brame Eliza Bosmere 4a 755 Collman Benjamin Bosmere 4a 755 Mayhew Matilda Bosmere 4a 755 >>>SOUTHGATE William Bosmere 4a 755 Georgina.

Georgina, Really pushing my luck, but could you look at John BRAME born 1816 Earl Stonham, Suffolk in 1851 Census? This should reveal him at home with his siblings - you've given me a new idea. I'm working on cataloguing 3 ancient postcard albums on loan from a family elder, along with identifying some of his old photos. Along the way I'm trying to identify the various subjects and writers. There's one lot in particular who are giving me a lot of trouble - if the 'close' family ties go back a further generation, maybe all will be revealed! These days we only keep in touch with first cousins, then they seemed to have contact with more distant relations. Thanks again for your help. Regs Annie

Annie, Eustace is still at home with his parents... Name: John Brame Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Rachel N Gender: Male Where born: Stonham, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Syleham Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Hoxne Sub-registration district: Stradbroke ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 59 Household Members: Name Age Ada H Brame 11 Allen Brame 5 Anna J Brame 18 Edwin G Brame 16 Eustace J Brame 9 George E Brame 14 John Brame 56 Pleasence Brame 7 Rachel N Brame 48 Georgina.

1891 census.. Name: Eustace Jno Brame Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Earl Stoneham, Suffolk, England Civil parish: St Helen Ecclesiastical parish: St Helen Town: Ipswich County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Ipswich Sub-registration district: Ipswich Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Eustace Jno Brame 29 A E L Woods 9 Hannah M Woods 38 Louisa K Woods 4 Richard Woods 47 Georgina.

Oops, sorry I meant 1891 for Eustace .... apologies! Annie

1851 census... Name: John Brame Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relation: Son Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Earl Stonham, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Earl Stonham County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Bosmere Sub-registration district: Coddenham ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 148 Household Members: Name Age Ann Brame 80 Eliza Brame 33 John Brame 35 Ellen M Jones 20

1861 Rachel Brame Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Rachel Hawes Gender: Female Where born: Stonham Earl, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Stonham Earl Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Bosmere Sub-registration district: Needham Market ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Bloom 27 Ada Brame 2 Anna Jane Brame 9 Edwin Brame 7 George Edward Brame 5 John Brame 45 Rachel Brame 3 Rachel Hawes Brame 38

Annie I was wondering if this was John senior & Ann's marriage but I dont know if Barham is in the right district? John Brame Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: Ann Sedon Marriage: 06 FEB 1804 Barham, Suffolk, England Georgina.

Hmmm ... a 'boarder'! He was a tin plate worker later on in Ipswich where he married in 1892, so perhaps he was in transit so to speak. Curiously, in 1881 he was living next door to the SOUTHGATES - so that was obviously no coincidence given your earlier revelation that they would have been his aunt & uncle. Thanks for doing this. Regs Annie

1841 census...Annie dont forget ages were rounded down by up to 5 years on the 1841 census. Name: John Brame Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Suffolk, England Civil parish: Stonham Earl Hundred: Bosmere and Claydon County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Bosmere Sub-registration district: Debenham Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann Brame 65 Eliza Brame 20 Harriett Brame 20 John Brame 75 John Brame 20 Martha Button 2

Thanks Georgina, Err ... can you get to 1841 for John BRAME? Or is that not available? Annie

.... I'll leave you in peace shortly, promise! Annie

I dont mind helping Annie, if you need any more let me know. Georgina.

Georgina, You are an absolute star! Very many thanks for guiding me through this - you will also help to make an elderly man very happy (eventually when I finish my task!). Thank you so much - go have a cup of tea now for your marvellous work! Regs Annie

Georgina, Sorry for delay - both GR and me are a bit slow tonight! It certainly could be their marriage - Barham appears to be in Bosmere RD. It would suggest that there were other offspring before Harriett, Eliza & John - they were born in the 1810s. I found two potential deaths for John BRAME - 1841 and 1845 both in Bosmere. So I guess there could actually be two heads of household called John Brame. What do you think? Annie

Hmmm yes, I see. Reckon these three are 'mine': John Brame abt 1766 Suffolk, England Stonham Earl Suffolk John Brame abt 1821 Suffolk, England Stonham Earl Suffolk John Brame abt 1811 Stonham Earl Suffolk I'm on FamilySearch at the mo' trying to work out if there were more siblings. This hobby ... ahem ... obsession is really a nuisance, isn't it! Regs Annie