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hi, the 1871 has thirza down as married,i think she has just been included with the rest of the house, as a rice

Is this a red herring ? Deaths Dec 1889 (>99%) Saturley Miriam Anna 47 Exeter 5b 63 There a couple of Miriam Saturley on 1881 census and both listed as widows. Maureen

Still leaves us with Ann Rice (c.1837) and Justina Rice (c. 1856)

I have been trying to match up the other two names on the 1869 marriage details but not having much luck on finding them in 1871. Births Dec 1839 (>99%) Kilpin Miriam Anna I of Wight 8 2_9 Been trying to work out which possible groom that Kilpin married but no !!!!! Maureen

this could be james in 1851 James Satniley [James Saturley] Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Pitminster Civil parish: Pitminster County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Taunton Sub-registration district: Pitminster Ann Satniley 10 Hannah Satniley 57 Hannah Satniley 17 James Satniley 6 Richard Satniley 25 Robert Satniley 62 Robert Satniley 20 Sarah Satniley 21 Tompuns Trenchard 19 James Tulbot 16 John Woodrow 18

poss for ann rice marr William Pearse 1860 Jan-Feb-Mar Williton Somerset View Record Ann Rice 1860 Jan-Feb-Mar Williton Somerset not sure if this is anywhere near where she should be 1861 Ann Pearse Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: William Gender: Female Where born: Carhampton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Carhampton Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Williton Sub-registration district: Dunster ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Ann Pearse 22 Jane Pearse 2 Mo John Pearse 2 William Pearse 36

1881 has this one been ruled out ? Name: Thirza Rice Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Patient Gender: Female Where born: Teignmouth, Devon, England Civil parish: Bath St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: 'Mineral Water Hospital' Upper Borough Walls Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Nurse (SMS) Registration district: Bath Sub-registration district: Walcot ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Oops wrong county Maureen

Sorry, have just typed this all out so apologies if anyone has posted up more info. So we’ve established that Elizabeth, Justina No. 1 and Harriet all probably died in 1853 and 1854, which leaves: ANN Rice (born c. 1837, Bickenhall) In 1841 and 1851 census Then where? LEVI Rice (born c. 1843, West Hatch) Have him up until 1871 then he disappears. Could be a Lewis Rice I suppose but there’s no Lewis Rice that says birthplace is West Hatch or Bickenhall. ELIZA Rice (born c. 1845, Stoke St Mary or West Hatch) Have her up to 1891 with her mother and various children. Can only assume she never married the father/fathers of the children, although she does have that she’s a widow on 1891 census, so a bit confused there (unless she just lied!) We’ve established that HENRY Rice (born c. 1848, Stoke St Mary) went to Pembrey, Wales where at some stage they became Wrights and Rights, and there were probably a few wrong ‘uns in there as well! THIRZA needs a bit more investigating which I shall do tonight as well as having to look at all the various spellings of her name (Thurza, Thirza, Therza etc.) FREDERICK was nice and straightforward JUSTINA RICE (born c. 1856, Taunton) Still stuck with JUSTINA No. 2

GLITTER My esteemed colleague (just in case she's reading this!) sent me this: Thirza Rice (c.1850) I think the Rice family must have kept close contact with the Saturday/Saturley family because I think Thirza married another one of their family: Marriages Sep 1869 Kilpin Mariam Anna Taunton 5c 582 Rice Thirza Taunton 5c 582 SATURLEY James Henry Taunton 5c 582 Sparks George Taunton 5c 582 I know that Thirza married James Saturley because I've found George Sparks married to Miss Kilpin but do you think I can find Mr. & Mrs. Saturley? Like hell I can. They've joined the rest of the Rice/Wyce/Wright/Right/White family in the bottomless pit somewhere in Somerset!

Jennifer What are you trying to do to me?! Not another variation of the Saturday/Saturley/Satterley/spellhoweveryoulikerley name!

Glitter Thirza (c. 1851) was apparently born in Stoke St Mary, Somerset, not Devon Unless of course, there's a few untruths being told

Thanks for all your help tonight ladies (and gents). Think I'm going to have to give up with this particular generation of the Rice family for now. Will just have to assume there was an earthquake/flood/plague of locusts that took them all!