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Sorry! I just wondered if she was still interested... Alex

Alexandra I got excited there for a moment! Angela

Gillian - are you going to respond?

Gillian Are you there? Angela

Gillian a lot of people have helped you with your querie so it would be nice if you could hang around long enough to give a little feed back. Georgina.

Alexandra Thanks for letting us know! How odd that Charles should marry 2 Ellens, about the same age & both from Bermondsey! I was thinking Ellen number 2 was leading a double life! (I'll leave this thread alone now!) Angela

Gillian I found out a lot of information about Charles Mummery for you last week - you deleted your thread but said you had copied the information down. That 1901 entry was him - and his previous wife who died young before he married Ellen. It is a shame to waste peoples time looking for information that I already gave you last week!

Hold on: I've found this on the 1901 census & Charles is a timber/carman! Ellen Mummery Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Charles Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints North Peckham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 253 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Mummery 1 Charles Mummery 27 Ellen Mummery 24 William Mummery 3 View Original Record View original image

too many births with that name . the marrigage cert will give you her dad,then one of the cencus pages sent should match.

This might POSSIBLY be Charles' birth: Births Jun 1883 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MUMMERY Charles Camberwell 1d 894 However, you really need to get the marriage cert to be certain. Angela

or this family., 1891 Ellen Smith Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Hannah Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: St George The Martyr Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: Kent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age David Smith 20 Ellen Smith 13 Hannah Smith 38 Kate Smith 4 Thomas Smith 42

There’s also this one in 1881: Ellen Smith Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Frank Mother's name: Frances Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil parish: Lewisham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 35 Elswick Rd Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Lewisham Sub-registration district: Lewisham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Smith 2 Frances Smith 34 Frank Smith 38 Frank Smith 4 Gertrude Smith 8 Isabell Smith 6 Norman Smith 1 YET ANOTHER: Ellen L. Smith Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Archer Mother's name: Emma Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Alderminster House Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen L. Smith 1 Emma Smith 30 Emma Smith 5 John A. Smith 4 John Archer Smith 34 Kate Smith 9 Esther Weeks 22 You really need the marriage cert to be sure. Angela

1891 Ellen Smith Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Martin Mother's name: Catherine Gender: Female Where born: Southwark; Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Catherine Smith 40 Ellen Smith 12 Germine Smith 8 Martin Smith 52 Mary Smith 9

This looks like them on the 1901 census... Name: John Edwards Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Camberwell, London, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Crother 32 Ellen Edwards 22 John Edwards 25 John Edwards 1 Georgina.

1881 Ellen Smith Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Martin Mother's name: Catherine Gender: Female Where born: Bermy, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 6 Crucifix Lane Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alphonsine Law 23 Thomas Law 25 John Pratt 30 Margaret Pullett 12 Catherine Smith 30 Ellen Smith 2 Martin Smith 40 Kimpton Ward 25

Could this be her first marriage? Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%) Edwards John Henry W Camberwell 1d 1453 Gray Arthur Camberwell 1d 1453 Smith Ellen Camberwell 1d 1453 Swallow Caroline Matilda Camberwell 1d 1453 And her first husbands death... Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%) Edwards John Henry W 29 Camberwell 1d 479 Georgina.

this looks like them in 1901 Ellen Edwards Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Crother 32 Ellen Edwards 22 John Edwards 25 John Edwards 1

could this be her first marriage >>>>>>>.John Henry W Edwards 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey View Record Arthur Gray 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey >>>>>>.View Record Ellen Smith 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey View Record Caroline Matilda Swallow 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey

First husband's death: Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwards John Henry W 29 Camberwell 1d 479

looks like that marriage was her, found this death John Henry W Edwards abt 1876 1905 Jan-Feb-Mar Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey