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Hello, I have found William Peart b1859 Lincolnshire approx and Florence born in Liverpool living with their children (born West Derby, Liverpool) in the 1891 census; there is also a lodger there called William Seymour who is single. I have found the marriage reference for William Peart and Florence; however, in the 1901 census, William Peart is no longer around (can't find any reference to his death); and William Seymour is now married to Florence; and the children who were called Peart are now called Seymour. There is an exception this being Joseph Seymour b1900 Jun quarter. I have checked and there is no Joseph Peart anywhere. Problems I have are ,that I can't find a marriage to William Seymour for Florence and I can't find a death entry for William Peart. Can anyone please help? Regards Rachel

For Reference... 1891 William Peart Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Florence Where born: Muctgmarch, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist Town: Liverpool Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: South Everton Emma Peart 4/12 Evelyne Peart 4 Florence Peart 26 born Liverpool Florence Peart 2 Lucy Peart 3 William Peart 32 William Seymour 36 born Dublin, Ireland. Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2950; Folio 48; Page 31; GSU roll: 6098060. I might be getting confused but.... here is Lucy and Evelyn Peart in 1901 Lucy Peart Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Pupil Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Lancashire Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ....................Evelyn Peart 14 ....................Lucy Peart 13 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3436; Folio: 69; Page: 39. Gail.

what is the ref for the 1901 please - i cant see them at all (sorry cant spell seymour!!lol) Name: Florence Seymour Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: William Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Walton On The Hill Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Walton ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 126 Household Members: Name Age Beatrice Seymour 7 Emma Seymour 9 Florence Seymour 37 Florence Seymour 11 Joseph Seymour 1 Lilian Seymour 6 William Seymour 40 William Seymour 5 is the address the same in 1901 as 1891 1901 = 69 Morcombe St

1901 for ref Name: William Seymour Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Florence Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Walton On The Hill Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Walton ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 126 Household Members: Name Age Beatrice Seymour 7 Emma Seymour 9 Florence Seymour 37 Florence Seymour 11 Joseph Seymour 1 Lilian Seymour 6 William Seymour 40 William Seymour 5 However in 1891 William is a Map or Mat Maker and not a whitesmith as this one is.

Gail, Thanks for that. I should have explained that Lucy and her sister Evelyn still have the surname of Peart in 1901 - however, they are not living at home; but are in a school for the blind. Between 1891 and 1901, the other children who were in the house and known as Peart, now have the surname of Seymour. I don't know why this is the case, as I can't find a marriage to William Seymour and there is no death that I can see for William Peart. Regards Rachel

In 1891 William Peart is a mat maker but there is no profession listed for William Seymour born in Dublin who is single and is boarding with the Peart family.

maybe she didnt actually marry him\! Flo Jun. married as a Peart Name: Florence Peart Year of Registration: 1911 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 727 interesting to see what the cert said about her father

Bit confused as despite the similarities in the family there are some differences for instance William Seymour (as in the same one from 1891) has changed age, place of birth, occupation......... Gail. x

If Florence did not marry William Seymour; why is the youngest child, Joseph registered with the surname of Seymour? Also, William Seymour (child) who is 5 in the 1901 census, when he marries, he has the surname of Seymour. Why would some of the children have one surname they used in marriage and others used a different one? Also, when William Seymour dies in 1902, Florence marries a Patrick Rooney; and in the registration book has Florence having the surname of Seymour. I'm getting a headache with all this! Rachel

I'm not totally convinced either

Flo Jun. & Emma were christened together 1. Florence Peart - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 DEC 1890 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 2. Emma Peart - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 DEC 1890 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: William Peart Family Mother: Florence Peart

Looks like Evelyn added Seymour to her name when she married. Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peart Evelyn Seymour Liverpool 8b 317

The youngster will be registed in what ever name Florence told the registrar! if she said she was Mrs Florence Seymour, thats what was recorded. Do you know for a fact that the two girls were blind? ( 1891 doesnt mention it)

Thanks for that - its reassuring to know that I'm not going mad. Its interesting to know that the 2 girls were christened together. Is there anything on IGI about any of the other children - i.e. were they christened? Regards Rachel

I am more curious than ever now as to why Evelyn would choose the surname Seymour if Florence did not marry someone with that surname. After all, wold you go round calling yourself Bloggs unless you were related to someone with that name?

If there is no death for William Peart, then perhaps Florence was not free to marry again. Who did William (aged 5 in 1901) put as his father when he married as a Seymour. Gail. x

The Evelyn Seymour Peart who married is a man (married Florence M Ward) and was born in Hull. Two women marrying in the family would have been different lol

At last a possible family that is stranger than mine..lol Possibly the male partners have not been transcribed yet, but there is a birth as you say for a Evelyn Seymour Peart, 1878, Hull - ..............................beg your parden Andrea she is a he in fact on the census... Tracked Evelyn Seymour Peart and he is in Hull on the 1881 with his parents, but they have all moved to Lancashire by 1901, hence the marriage in Liverpool. Gail. x

Evelyn and Lucy Peart are in a school in 1901 - I have checked the writing on the census and it is a school for the blind. It could be that they went blind during childhood. Evelyn Peart is on the 1891 census as a child (daughter) and is on the 1901 census as a daughter born in Liverpool. I find it strange that in 1903 Evelyn becomes a he when a marriage takes place. Don't know who William (child) has put down as his father - will be requesting his marriage certificate. I wonder if the other children in the family were christened and if so, what surname they are registered under.... Rachel

Hi Rachel Just to clarify - as Andrea found out - the Evelyn Seymour Peart marriage is not your family.......his parents are Harry and Marion if I remember right from Hull. So you can discount that marriage as it is not your Evelyn who was blind. Gail. x Just to show he is from a different family.............. The birth registration of Evelyn Seymour Peart - male child Evelyn Seymour Peart,1878 Q2 Hull 9d 245 1901 census for West Derby, St Cyprian, Lancashire Evelyn Peart Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Son Father's name: Harry Mother's name: Marian Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, RG13; Piece: 3489; Folio: 91; Page: 6.