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yep last one could be as daughter caroline born same place

and another one 1901 England Census about Frank Nicholas Name: Frank Nicholas Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Newcastle Under Lyme Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 9 BRIDGE STREET Occupation: BUTCHER Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme Sub-registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Ephraim Humphries 34 Frank Nicholas 25 THIS ONE IS MARRIED! No wife listed so could be him.

Another possible Frank for you ! Ann Nicholas abt 1846 Astley, Warwickshire, England Aunt Ernest H Nicholas abt 1872 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Head Ernest L Nicholas abt 1897 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Frank H Nicholas abt 1879 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Brother-in-law Nellie Nicholas abt 1871 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife It does list his as being single however. So does the other one!

Ok many many thanks x

I've had a look but there seems very little for the name BRADFORD. I don't know why that should be. Maybe they weren't very religious and didn't go in for baptisms. Maybe they came from overseas originally? Maybe they changed their name and Bradford is just a derivation of the original one?? If I were you I'd probably google for others who are researching that surname in Derbyshire and you might get lucky! Sorry, I must go and do some chores now! I get addicted to searching for things and the house is a mess! Mags xx

ok many thanks do you have any idea how i can trace back further then thomas's father richard 1796

Probably Richard (Thomas 1820/s dad) death record Name: Richard Bradford Year of Registration: 1845 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Ashby DE LA Zouch County: Derbyshire, Leicestershire Volume: 15 Page: 5 Can't see any other matches, and right area.

ok brilliant

1901 for Frank Nicholas Could be? It's the only Frank Nicholas in the whole country who isn't listed as being Head between 1855 and 1875birth. I've expanded the search for another 5yrs each way, so see below for another couple of options! Frank Nicholas abt 1875 Zunney Frome, Somerset, England Brother-in-law Toxteth Park Lancashire Arthur J Rowson abt 1900 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Arthur S Rowson abt 1874 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Will check for Francis & variations on the spelling. **UPDATE can't see any others, so might need to wait for the next census or find another GR member who has him in their tree before you can verify the birthplace etc!

Emma Augusta's Marriage Name: Emma Augusta Bradford & Frank Nicholas Year of Registration: 1898 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Burton Upon Trent County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 601

1851 for Thomas's Parents. Father has died, but Mary is actually living NEXT DOOR to Thomas with some of his siblings. They are listed as son/dau. So he has his Mum on one side, and future wife on the other. He didn't have to make much effort did he!! Elleaun Bradford abt 1832 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Daughter Emma Bradford abt 1843 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Daughter Henry Bradford abt 1835 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Son Mary Bradford abt 1800 Measham, Derbyshire, England Head William Bradford abt 1839 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Son

Have updated the 1841 to put in the order listed, but can't say whether they are def. all children yet. Will look for them in 51 to see if any are still at home. Re the Nicholas marriage in 1901, the census still shows her as being married so they could just be visiting grannie whilst husband works away, or could be wrong and she IS widowed! Will check for marriage and see if I can find the husband for you. Mags

i have also noticed in the 1901 they have emma there born 1875 now surname nicholas and her daughter caroline would like to find her husband , marriage and where he is possibly passed away??

Unfortunately no, the 1841 census did not record any relationships. I'll go have a quick look to see what order they list them in, although that is no guarantee! Sometimes cousins are listed with the family and you have no way of knowing unless you find them with their parents in a later census! It can get a little confusing! I've checked the IGI too but I can't see the Bradfords on there at all. Just nice to be able to help, you take care Alexandra, I need to go for a bit but might be back later. Mags

many thanks mags your so good at all this its amazing

mags question the 1841 when thomas is unmarried does the census state whos who like head son wife etc?

1861 son James Bradford 1843 James Bradford abt 1843 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Apprentice Swadlincote Derbyshire Living with the Turner family. 1871: son James Bradford 1843 now married to Emma Emma Bradford abt 1844 Packington, Leicestershire, England Wife Swadlincote James Bradford abt 1843 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Head Swadlincote 1881: son James & Emma Abigail Bradford abt 1874 Church Gresley, Derbyshire, England Daughter Church Gresley Beatrice Lucy Bradford abt 1880 Church Gresley, Derbyshire, England Daughter Emma Bradford abt 1844 Ashby, Leicestershire, England Wife Emma Augusta Bradford abt 1875 Church Gresley, Derbyshire, England Daughter James Bradford abt 1843 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Head Thomas Bradford abt 1872 Swadlincote, Derbyshire, England Son 1891: son James & Emma Abigail Bradford abt 1874 Greasley, Derbyshire, England Daughter Church Gresley Beatrice L Bradford abt 1880 Greasley, Derbyshire, England Daughter Emma Bradford abt 1844 Ashby DE LA Zouch, Leicestershire, England Wife Hugh C Bradford abt 1883 Greasley, Derbyshire, England Son James Bradford abt 1843 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Head 1901: son James & Emma Emma Bradford abt 1844 Ashby, Leicestershire, England Wife Church Gresley James Bradford abt 1843 Oakthorpe, Derbyshire, England Head Caroline Augusta Nicholas abt 1900 New Castle, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter Emma Augusta Nicholas abt 1875 Church Gresley, Derbyshire, England Daughter Marriage: Name: James Bradford & Emma Curtis Year of Registration: 1870 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Burton Upon Trent County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 443

i agree with you funny how things turn out loose your wife and marry your neighbour lol

I think this must be Mary's death: Name: Mary Bradford Year of Registration: 1850 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Ashby DE LA Zouch County: Derbyshire, Leicestershire Volume: 15 Page: 9

I think this is Thomas unmarried in 1841, occupation COLLIER. In 1851 his occupation is COAL MINER. Church Gresley Derbyshire Richd Bradford abt 1796 (HEAD) Image looks like MICK Mary Bradford abt 1801 (assume WIFE) I would assume that the rest are the children. I will look for them in 1851 to see if any are still at home to confirm: They are just listed in order of age, males first, then females. ===Thos Bradford abt 1821 Jno Bradford abt 1825 James Bradford abt 1827 Henry Bradford abt 1834 Wm Bradford abt 1838 Ellen Bradford abt 1832 Mary Ann Bradford abt 1840 So, I guess that means we look for another marriage between 1841 and 43 for his first one (when his first child was born). Mags