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For Ozibird and Tracy - I think I might have got a solution. Philip Domm was married to Christiana - she died in Steyning in 1859. In 1862 Philip Domm marries Catherine Payne - they have two children Catherine and Stephen - but both die in 1866 aged 2 and 4. Still can't find Philip on 1861 census but think he was in Steyning, Sussex. Catherine Domm died in June 1915 in Steyning Philip Domm died in Southampton in 1897 - that's why he still stated as married. - Not bad for an evenings work - Thanks again for your help. Clare

Yes you're right Tracy - read that completely wrong thought it was a ditto not a M. If as I thought that Christiana his wife had died in 1859 - wonder if there was a second marriage now!!! He would have only been 41 yrs when she died - so not to be ruled out.

I see Edmund Durrant, Widr Mary Dacey, M Phillip Domm, M Wilfred Day, -

Hi again Tracy - I read it as WIDR. widower?

1891 says Married, not Widower. Compare to the ones above :) You're probably right about the informant though, if he was still at the Poor House in 1897.

The informant on Philips death certificate is really had to read - I can just make out 26 Union St, Canal Walk, Southampton On the 1891 census it does state that he is a widower - so maybe the informant is from the poor house!!!

The district Steyning is in the county of Sussex See http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/steyning.html for info

Well done ladies you have been working really hard on my behalf - thank you so much I am really grateful - i've now got so much more info to go through - it'll take me a while to digest. Clare Philips death 1897 Do you know whereabouts Steyning is??

Well done Ozi! No wonder I couldn't find Christiana lol Stephen and Catherine didn't last long... Death Jun 1866 Domm Stephen P 4 Steyning 2b 165 Death Jun 1866 Domm Catherine 2 Steyning 2b 164 The other Catherine: Death Jun 1915 Domm Catherine J 71 Steyning 2b 353

That has got to be a good possiblity hasn't it? I'll send for the certificate.

Just had another look of image 1861 Philip Doerr - could look very like Domm - only snag baker not musician - they could have had more children - then what happened to Christiana after 1861???? Don't know what to think now. If Christiana died in 1859 this family can't be right.

Not to sure on this Philip Doerr!! I am wondering if Christiana maybe died soon after 1851 census. Clutching at straws now!!

Just found this: Name: Frederick Philip Doerr Year of Registration: 1855 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Kensington County: United Kingdom Volume: 1a Page: 3 Name: Charles Arthur Doerr Year of Registration: 1860 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Kensington County: United Kingdom Volume: 1a Page: 20 Think that discounts that family.

I cannot find any reference to any brothers or sisters of Catherine - should maybe mention that she is also known as Kate. Her mothers name is sometimes Christiana or Christian and I think her maiden name was Schmidt although on their marriage certificate she is Christiana Smith - she signed it Schmidt. Confused!!! Clare

Wish I could find his wife lol Do you know if they had any more kids?

Can't keep up with you ladies - that's just brilliant info - such a variation on a name though, but I've looked at the images and you can see how they could be mistranscribed. Thanking you both. Clare

Thanks Tracy and Marie looks very likely for 1871 - occupation and area seem to tie in. I live only 25 Miles from Southampton.

a possible??? 1881 England Census about Philip Donner Name: Philip Donner Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: (British Subject), Germany Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: 7 Union St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Occupation: General Laborer Registration district: Southampton Sub-registration district: Southampton ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Philip Donner 50 Ralph M. Downs 52 Sophia King 37 View Original Record View Original Image

1871 England Census about Philip Doman Name: Philip Doman Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil Parish: All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Southampton Sub-registration district: Southampton ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 118 Household Members: Name Age Philip Doman 45 Elizabeth James 56 Agnes E Priest 5 Charles H Priest 3 Claribel I Priest 1 Selina J Priest 27 William H Priest 31 View Original Record View Original Image occupation musician

1871 Name: Philip Doman (!) Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil Parish: All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Does say he's still married though...