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Thanks Brenda, off to take a look at that now, fingers crosses will tie in. Keith

Forbes is very much a Scottish forename............It could also, of course, be indicative of the mother's maiden surname..........equally Scottish! Reg Reg

Thanks all, had to go out tonight, will look into those possibilities, Judith, I think that is Caroline on the 1891, and yes Reg the thought that Robert Snr may be Scottish had occured to me as well, but not sure about the Forbes as a middle name, but suppose it must be as son John and my grandmother were just plain Brown! Keith

Robert Stewart etc sounds very Scottish to me............. Reg

Nudge. Can anyone see either Robert Stewart Forbes Brown on any census? Youngest b c1864, place unknown, oldest b ? place unknown. Thanks Keith

I have today received the marriage certificate for the marriage found by Christine above, Robert Stewart Forbes Brown to Elizabeth Wilkins, 12th Feb 1890, Winchester Register Office. Robert aged 26, Bachelor,Telegraphist, father Robert Stewart Forbes Brown. Elizabeth aged 24, spinster, father John Wilkins deceased. Both parties resident at 2 Andover Road Winchester! The occupation of my greatgrandfather John James father Robert was late bandmaster, Roberts father Roberts occupation is Sea Captain. This marriage is obviously not Johns father re-marrying, but possibly his brother marrying. Now if this is correct, this may explain why neither Robert can be found on the Census, possibly away at sea. More research needed, cannot find the birth of John James (1873) or Robert Stewart jnr (1865), maybe they were registered abroad? Also cannot find the death of Robert Stewart Snr between 1890 & 1899 when he was deceased at the time of Johns wedding. Have also found birth and death in 1891 of who I assume is the son of Robert and Elizabeth, guess who? Robert Stewart Forbes Brown! 'Pulling hair out' Keith

Maybe this is a son of theirs? Name: Robert Stuart F Brown Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Winchester County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 120 Name: Robert Stewart F Brown Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 0 District: Winchester County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 70

I think I may just send for that marriage certificate, being such an unusual full name I suspect it has got to be him, and hope his occupation is bandmaster!

It's not just you Keith. I can't see either of them on 1901 or 1891. I've tried just looking for a Charlotte Brown/Elizabeth Brown - in Winchester area, 1891 - nichts, nada, nothing!

Thanks again Christine, had seen that, but cannot find him on 1891 census either, have to take another look, dont know whats wrong with me today, cant see anything!

looks like his father must have married again Robert Stewart F Brown 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester Hampshire Charlotte Kersley 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester Hampshire Thomas Manser 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester Hampshire Elizabeth Wilkins 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester Hampshire Name: Robert Stewart F Brown Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Winchester County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 163

Thanks Christine, have put them aside at the moment, will take another look later.

I don't think it's the right family - found them on 1891, father Robert is a labourer, in North of England, no sign of John James with him.

Thanks Christine, will take a look at that Keith

Hi Keith Bit of a long shot, but there is this family on the 1871. Robert is a soldier Name: Robert Brown Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ellen Where born: Beccles, Suffolk Civil Parish: Farnborough County: Hampshire Registration district: Hartley Wintney Sub-registration district: Farnborough ED, institution, or vessel: Battalion 2, Regiment 9, Depot 2 Battallion and Regiment 10 Household Members: Ellen Brown 19 born Ireland James Robert Brown 6 months born Aldershot Robert Brown 31 Christine

Thanks again Kath, got the images now, off to look for Carolines birth!

Not sure about John. Perhaps he joined one regiment and then moved to another. I'm afraid I have to go now - family want lunch. Good luck. Kath. x

Here's the source information for 1871:- Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1124; Folio: 98; Page: 9 Kath. x

Thats brilliant, thanks Kath, so got to be them. Wondering about John James Brown though, father sounds scottish to me, if so why did he join the irish rifles!

Here's the same family in 1881 (including Caroline):- Name: Amelia Taylor Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George Gender: Female Where born: Sussex, England (Sussex, England), Sussex (Sussex), England (England) Civil Parish: Westbourne County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Hermitage Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Westbourne Sub-registration district: Westbourne ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice M.M. Taylor Amelia Taylor 43 Arthur Taylor 5 Caroline Taylor 9 Eliza Taylor 20 Ellen Taylor 6 George Taylor 47 Henry Taylor 13 Kate Taylor 11 Walter Taylor 15 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1135; Folio: 99; Page: 9 Kath. x