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this is the best I've had for a death so far Record Annie Smith abt 1893 1903 Apr-May-Jun Barton Regis Gloucestershire

Annie Elize didn't go anywehre this is the most hopeful I've has so far from the 1901 census from gloucester, gloucestshire William Mott 16 Annie Smith 6 David Smith 2 Edith Smith 10 Eliza Smith 33 Eliza Smith 4 Lizzie Smith 3 months * Thomas Smith 38 Thomas Smith 8 * William Smith 12 *

There's an Annie who died aged 7 ??? Deaths Mar 1897 Annie Smith Aged 7 Gloucester 6a 213 Born 1890 ......... possible

Again ...Jack is a name in its own right .... BUT can be an alternative for John ... :-(((( Did you find Annie Elsie's death ??? She should be on the 1891 census if bon in 1890 ... Elaine ;-)

there was also a sibling Jack not sure what its short for or if it is his real name

given up with that going through the census' see if I see amything

Name: Annie Elsie Smith Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Gloucester (1837-1937) County: Gloucestershire found her so going to see when she died It was either of the names I said as they all got married and had children (thats why my mum can remember their names)

Having just read your last post, then obviously it wasn't one of them who died !! Must be another daughter that you don't know the name of ...:-((( Oh dear ... back to the census I'm afraid ! Elaine ;-)

There is a Gladys Mat Smith died J 1910 ... she was 8 years old... but can't find her birth on FreeBMD... The nearest birth I can find is 1899 March qtr. Maybe they got the age wrong ? ..I'll check the finer details... There is a Minnie Gertrude who died in June 1901 but she was 14 years old ... Not getting very far are we !

Gladys Smith married a something Howl Minnie married a Jim Harris Betty (Elizabeth) married a Hyett (I hink thats what my mum said)

Going through the girls names one by one: Elizabeth. The ONLY Elizabeths born between 1890 - 1903 and dying under the age of 20yrs is Elizabeth Penelope Smith b Gloucester Sept 1894 d March 1897 Aged 2 I'll ceck out the other names !

Thats interesting ! We should be looking on FreeBMD for Smiths 'born' Gloucester, 1890 - 1904 ... and Smiths who 'died' Gloucester 1899 - 1912 then and cross referencing ... see which female names match ! .... and hope one of them is Minnie, Elizabeth or Gladys !! Elaine ;-)

ohhh thats interesting I have Cyril down as being born in Gloucester, Gloucestshire. and we don't know for sure if minnie is short for anything so u could be on the right track I don't know what order they were born in I think Thomas was the oldest and Cyril was the youngest. one of the siblings also died at 9 of diptheria one of the girls

Minnie is a name in it's own right ... but can also be short for Wilhelmina ! .. and others. Ginny (Jenny) is usually a pet name for Jane, but is a short version for Virginia. Do you know WHICH order these children were born in ? ... and was it actually Gloucester they lived in, or somewhere within Gloucestershire ? Elaine ;-) I HAVE found both a Cyril AND a Minnie born in Gloucester .... which is why I'm asking ! Births Sep 1901 SMITH Minnie Gloucester 6a 356

Me and my mum were debatiing this the other day. Its short for something. our family is quite wierd on both of my mums parnets sides. grandfather Cyril was also known as Tom even though he had a big brother called Tom and my gr grandmother was a Harriet Jane but was also known as Jenny

Any idea if Minnie was her actual name or if it was short for something else ? Elaine ;-)

yes I think it must be quarter oct - dec looking for his siblings in census' having no luck

Is this your Grandad then ?? Births Dec 1904 Smith Cyril Gloucester 6a 309

Just phoned my grandmother - the Smiths were actually from Gloucestshire (its her fathers side thats from wales) Cyril Smith 1904 (had no middle name) siblings I know the names for William, Thomas, Minnie, Elizabeth, Gladys My grandmothers brother cyril Bowen 1910 actually married one of his siblings children (I think it was Williams) daughter Mayme (not sure how you spell that)

I'm presuming he did NOT have a middle name ... and from what you have just said, he was possibly from Wales. There is only ONE Cyril Smith born in Wales 1904 ... there are 3 others with midddle names: Births Jun 1904 Smith Cyril Bedwelty 11a 107 Births Mar 1904 SMITH Cyril Roy Bedwelty 11a 88 Births Sep 1904 Smith Cyril Arthur Pontypool 11a 190 Smith Cyril Henry Cardiff 11a 413 His Birth cert would confirm his parents names. What are his siblings names ?? ... maybe they too were born in Wales ? Alternatively, your granfathers Marriage cert will tell you HIS fathers name and occupation ... so you will KNOW when you have found the correct family on the census... Elaine ;-)