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Don't be alarmed by the subject matter, I am a male and have a problem in tracing one of my ancestors during a particular period of time. I have traced him on the 1861 and 1871 census, and then he disappears for the next 20 years, But his son appears again in the 1901 census. His name is Thomas Hutchings born circa 1858 in Holborn to a James and Susannah Hutchings. His son was also Thomas Hutchings born circa 1877. But I cannot find out when he got married, who his wife was and what he did for a living. The only possibilities I can think of is that he died young, was in the army or in prison. Any help in filling in the gaps would be appreciated. William

William I am adding the 1861 census for reference... John Blake abt 1846 Stepney, Middlesex, England Servant Islington Middlesex Henry Hutchings abt 1855 Holborn, Middlesex, England Son Islington Middlesex James Hutchings abt 1828 Stepney, Middlesex, England Head Islington Middlesex James Hutchings abt 1853 Holborn, Middlesex, England Son Islington Middlesex Susannah Hutchings abt 1829 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Wife Islington Middlesex Susannah Hutchings abt 1857 Holborn, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington Middlesex Thomas Hutchings abt 1858 Holborn, Middlesex, England Son Islington Middlesex Source information: RG9/126 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 82 Page: 25 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 155 GSU Number: 542578 Georgina.

1871 for ref View Record George Hilliear abt 1851 Kinghtsbridge, Middlesex, England Lodger Islington St Mary London View Record Elizabeth Hutchings abt 1868 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington St Mary London View Record Henry Hutchings abt 1854 London, Middlesex, England Son Islington St Mary London View Record James Hutchings abt 1829 Stepney, Middlesex, England Head Islington St Mary London View Record James Hutchings abt 1853 London, Middlesex, England Son Islington St Mary London View Record John Hutchings abt 1863 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Islington St Mary London View Record Susan Hutchings abt 1830 London, Middlesex, England Wife Islington St Mary London View Record Susan Hutchings abt 1856 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington St Mary London View Record Thomas Hutchings abt 1858 London, Middlesex, England Son Islington St Mary London View Record Walter Hutchings abt 1864 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Islington St Mary London julie

Hi Georgina and Julie, Thanks for the info, but I already have these references. It is the 20 years subsequent to 1871 that I seeking. Any further help in this area would be appreciated. William

Could this be his son Thomas in a childrens home in 1891.... Name: Thomas Hutchings Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Inmate Gender: Male Where Born: Plaistow, London, England Civil parish: Ratcliff Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Thomas County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Source information: RG12/293 Registration district: Stepney Sub registration district: Ratcliff ED, institution, or vessel: Dr Barnardos Homes Folio: 127 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6095403 Georgina.

hiya William, we realise that the yrs are out and you must already have this, However we cannot see what you can see, unless we post it for reference, it just helps us get it clear in our heads, what we are looking for, have you tracked any of the children???? if so could you please say, Julie

hiya William, i'm not shouting at you (honest), Have you tried different spellings of surname??? and if so which ones have you tried?? this would help alot thanks Julie

By 1881 it looks like his father has died & his mother remarried to Benjamin Reeves... Marriages Sep 1872 Hutchings Susannah Islington 1b 441 Layland Benjamin Islington 1b 441 Reeves Benjamin Islington 1b 441 WALKER Mary Ann Islington 1b 441 1881 census... Elizabeth Hutchings abt 1868 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington London George Hutchings abt 1865 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Islington London Benjamin Reeves abt 1836 Melpsham, Wiltshire, England Head Islington London James Reeves abt 1868 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Islington London Susannah Reeves abt 1832 Islington, Middlesex, England Wife Islington London Source information: RG11/225 Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Folio: 25 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 1341049 This looks like James's death... Deaths Sep 1871 Hutchings James 42 Islington 1b 145 Georgina.

Simone I will try what you suggest. Julie & Georgina Sorry I am new to this and did not appreciate the significance of you seeing what I already know. His son was my Great Granddad, Thomas Hutchings, born 1877, who married a Charlotte Sharp. The info re: Susannah remarrying is very interesting and I will follow up on this. Regards, William

Hiya William, dont worry about it, we all started somewhere, just didnt want to sound like I was telling you off, (i wasnt). I know how daunting it is being new anywhere, but I'm sure you'll find everyone on here and on tips board very helpful, long may the site reign!!!! see you around, Julie By the way! WELCOME xx

Another twist to the problem. I have found a marriage entry in the 1897 Holborn 1st Qtr 1b 855 details that shows a Charlotte Ann Sharpe married a William James T Hutchings. The date is about right, but I cannot find any other entries for William james T Hutchings. yet the 1901 census shows Charlotte was married to a Thomas Hutchings. I have found a possible birth entry for Thmas at Islington 1st Qtr 1877 1b 224. Apart from this entry and the 1901 Census, there is no other record of Thomas, and apart from the marriage entry, no other record for William James. If I obtain both birth and marriage certs., will it help to clarify matters? Bill

You appear to know that Thomas (born 1877) and Charlotte were your gt grandparents, but don't have their marriage certificate or birth certificates so how come you know that Thomas (born 1858) is Thomas' father? or that James and Susannah are your ancestors? You really need to start with what you know and work backwards rather than trying to link forwards from James and Susannah. Thomas and Charlotte's marriage certificate will give you fathers' names and occupations and age at marriage (hopefully not just 'of full age') Then you need to go for Thomas' birth certificate with the father's name and occupation as a check that you have the right one, and then search for the parents' marriage. Only then will you find out if you are related to James and Susannah.

The Thomas Hutchings, born Plaistow, who Georgina found in a children's home in 1891 appears to be still single and living with an aunt in West Ham in 1901 so I don't think he was the Thomas we are seeking. How about Thomas Hutchins aged 13, born Clerkenwell, on the training ship Shaftesbury in 1891?

hiya bill just because hae had alot of names doesn't mean he liked or used them, he could purely preffered thomas, over william or james, have come across it alot of times, especially on census returns, i wouldnt worry about it too much, i would however order the marriage cert, if you havent already got it, then you will have proof of who bride/grooms fathers were, and hopefully an address, and witness's to help along the way. Julie

Judith My uncle told me he did some research over 20 years ago when he visited Somerset House and searched the records. He never kept proper records of his findings, but he told me the Hutchings line starting with my Grandfather was Thomas, Thomas, James and James. The first James was married to a Susannah Stanley, and my Grandfather was married to Charlotte Sharpe.. I worked on this info and that is why I have lower and higher ends, but no middle. Julie I have now ordered the marriage cert for William and Charlotte, so will wait until it arrives before moving on. Bill

Bill, that makes alot of sense, will await for update when cert arrives, then we can make some headway!! Take care Julie

William, understand your problem, what's the betting AFTER you receive the certificates Uncle will find the one's he bought all those years ago! Look forward to seeing what info the certs give - hopefully won't be long as the turnaround time for certs seems to be back to normal now :-)

Have now received the marriage cert for William James Thomas Hutchings and Charlotte Ann Sharpe. Apart from the Grooms name not being Thomas, the rest of the details link up with my Gt Grandparents. They wre married on 28th February 1897 at St James in Clerkenwell. My Grandfather Thomas Hutchings was born in 1899. So this would fit. They were both 21 years old and lived in Hermes Street, just off Pntonville Road. This is a good location because when I was a child, I remember visiting my Gt Grandmother Charlotte when she lived in a street that no longer exists, but was within 800 yards of Hermes Street. William was employed as an Assistant Fruiterer, and his dad was employed as a Master Fruiterer. This links in well, because they had a stall in Chapel Street market, again with 800 yards at the Angel islington. William's father is shown as William James Thomas Hutchings, the same name. Charlottes father is shown as Henry Sharpe, a Painter. I have not been able to trace back on either of the William James Thomas Hutchings. Any suggestions would be welcome. Bill

hiya bill, could you please give details of witness's ??? to marriage, it may help Julie

Hi Julie The witnesses were James Redruff and Henry Sharpe. Bill